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New Mexico Abolishes the Death Penalty
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tartanterrier
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"Supporters of the measure argue that replacing the death sentence with life in prison without parole would save the state more than one million dollars a year"
Do they think the people from N.M. would believe that.I mean I thought it would cost the state a lot more to keep someone locked up for 50 years than taking them out with a bolt to the head or whatever it is they do :dunno:
Do they think the people from N.M. would believe that.I mean I thought it would cost the state a lot more to keep someone locked up for 50 years than taking them out with a bolt to the head or whatever it is they do :dunno:
stupid and illogic decision as usual, but this coming from bleed hearts, I am not astonished at all. Feeding and taking care of prisoners costs a lot, a scumbag is a scumbag, why should you care about him??? One bullet in the shitbag's head and he is not going to pollute the streets as well as not taking other people's money coming from their revenues anymore.
The cost from death row inmates comes from all the litigation and legal wrangling that takes place before they get killed. It can sometimes take over a decade to reach that point anyhow and there is always multiple appeals in capital punishment cases. When you have all those lawyers and other support personnel continuing to make the case for both sides the amount of resources it takes adds up to a lot of money and time they don't have to work on other things.
Friday on my mind
Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
It's about time the US and the states joined the civilzed world and abolished the death penalty.:thumbsup:
If the people of N.M. don't beleive executions cost more than life then they need to do some research as that fact is indisputable.As D-rock pointed out that is because of all the legal protections and appeals process involved with the death penalty.
Further it is beyond me how anyone could support the death penalty given all the evidence of innocent people sentenced to it.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/
Amazes me that a lot of times the same mindset that says govt is bad and cannot be trusted to do anything correctly thinks govt ought to be allowed to have the power of life and death.Even though as my link above shows govt (the justice system) is very flawed with a lot of racism and police corruption etc leading to innocents being sentenced to death.System way to flawed to allow the death penalty.At least if they were only sentenced to life and found to be innocent later then can be released.For the ones who have been or will be executed being found innocent later will be too late for them.
Good for them.
Locking someone up for the rest of their life in a tiny cell for 23 hours out of the day is much more of a punishment in my opinion. Because lets say you are putting a murderer to death, once you kill him he/she are not going to care whether or not they killed however many people, they're dead. Unless you're religiously inclined an you believe that this terrible person if being roasted alive in hell with Hitler and Princess Diana for all eterninty.
Putting a person to death gives them an easy way out. The death penalty has never been a deterent, has it? If it was, then all the crimes that have a danger of getting the death penalty would have fallen. But they havent, have they?
Locking someone up for the rest of their life in a tiny cell for 23 hours out of the day is much more of a punishment in my opinion. Because lets say you are putting a murderer to death, once you kill him he/she are not going to care whether or not they killed however many people, they're dead. Unless you're religiously inclined an you believe that this terrible person if being roasted alive in hell with Hitler and Princess Diana for all eterninty.
Putting a person to death gives them an easy way out. The death penalty has never been a deterent, has it? If it was, then all the crimes that have a danger of getting the death penalty would have fallen. But they havent, have they?
Leftists and not so grateful people who don't really know what means law and order mean want the death penalty abolished. How do you fucking know they are innocent?? Can you fucking prove it? No, then quit whining.
Scum is like vermin, if you don't eradicate, it invades and rottens the good neighborhoods. I am very astonished of how someone like you can show forgiveness and mercy for scum. The scum deserves a horrible death and a bloody one. Victimizing the scum is the worst thing to do.
Here are a list of criminals that were arrested for various crimes
http://www.amw.com/captures/browse_by_capture_date.cfm
and if you want to look who is wanted for what then look at this link
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/browse_last_name.cfm browse from letters a to z, also check unknown. You will see that death penalty is a necessity.
Friday on my mind
Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
Based on the stats having the death penalty actually seems to encourage a disrespect for life and a higher murder rate.States like Texas which easily uses the death penalty more than ony other state has one of the highest murder rates in the country.While a state like mine (NJ) which has not used the death penalty since 1963 and recently abolished it as well has a much lower murder rate.
Friday on my mind
Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
Click on the link for the "innocence project" in my above link.It shows people convicted to the death penalty "proven" innocent using DNA.But I know you don't really care if they are innocent or not .
They you go, my point supported. :hatsoff:
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Tartanterrier and Georges 
It would be better to take some of these people out of the world. It's for the better.
China caught a group of pirates not so long ago and they executed them with a bullet to the back of the head.
Instead of paying to keep them locked up for life.
Also, California is letting prisoners go, bad idea.
They will just be repeat offenders.
It would be better to take some of these people out of the world. It's for the better.
China caught a group of pirates not so long ago and they executed them with a bullet to the back of the head.
Instead of paying to keep them locked up for life.
Also, California is letting prisoners go, bad idea.
They will just be repeat offenders.
Stats very clearly show that capital punishment does not at all reduce the number of serious crimes. In Europe, the lowest crime rate is among the Scandinavian countries, and they don't even have life sentence.
But then, things happen such as this one a few weeks back: a guy shot to death four of his relatives, including a 14-year old girl, because of some dispute over a piece of property. And then I ask myself, what kind of a punishment is appropriate?
But then, things happen such as this one a few weeks back: a guy shot to death four of his relatives, including a 14-year old girl, because of some dispute over a piece of property. And then I ask myself, what kind of a punishment is appropriate?
boner_76
In love with my hand.
I'm from NM and think abolishing this penalty is BS unless our lawmakers are planning to give these criminals the "Sheriff Joe treatment." Now I have to pay for these fuckers so they can be fed, watch TV, workout, have access to healthcare, go to school, commit more crime while locked up?
No wonder why some people would rather go to prison...out here in the real world you have to work to pay for all of these amenities!
No wonder why some people would rather go to prison...out here in the real world you have to work to pay for all of these amenities!
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
When I read the title of this thread, my first thought was honestly...
"New Mexico is still a state?"
Seriously, New Mexico has been so quiet that I've almost forgotten it's existence. You abolished the death penalty and have gotten yourself back in the limelight. Congratulations New Mexico...you're having the BEST WEEK EVER!!!
"New Mexico is still a state?"
Seriously, New Mexico has been so quiet that I've almost forgotten it's existence. You abolished the death penalty and have gotten yourself back in the limelight. Congratulations New Mexico...you're having the BEST WEEK EVER!!!
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Oooooh, the IRONY!!! :1orglaugh
Facetious
Moderated
It all has to do with the exorbitant cost(s) of process i.e. the usage of the appeals courts, assorted sundry legal fees etc.
Expensive huh ? Even more so when you consider that the greater hunk of 'em are ILLEGAL ALIENS.
"Metastasizes" was the operative word, Geo., :grin:
Yep ! They're the social equivalent to computer virus authors !
Worse, actually. 
Roughneck
Stick with Freeones
Good for the people of New Mexico.
Frankly I'm appaled that nearly everyone here is talking about "costs" but nearly no one is discussing "Rights" or the "Constitution".
# Government cannot posses any "right" that we the people don't grant it.* If you don't have the right to kill someone (murder), who/what gives the government that right?
# The 8th Amendment to the US Constitution states that:
# Do you know how many people on 'Death Row' have been exonerated based on new DNA evidence? For a short list (or the many thousands) check out - http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/
# Shouldn't our guiding philosophy be "better a 100 men go free than to wrongfully execute an innocent"? At a day and age when we have more incarcerated folks than blessed communist China ... shouldn't this give us pause?
Leviathan already has way too much power - why give it more by granting it the authority to execute people? This isn't a 'namby-pamby bleeding heart liberal' argument - this is as principled as they come.
- R. (a former death penalty supporter until he was exposed to Vietnam, Ruby Ridge and Waco).
*: Yes, I know. The government already violates this principle through taxation. But two wrongs, don't make a right.
**: Yes, I also know that the Supreme Court ruled that capital punishment was not-unconstitutional. But they've also ruled that income taxation was 'constitutional', along with gun control laws, the draft etc.
Frankly I'm appaled that nearly everyone here is talking about "costs" but nearly no one is discussing "Rights" or the "Constitution".
# Government cannot posses any "right" that we the people don't grant it.* If you don't have the right to kill someone (murder), who/what gives the government that right?
# The 8th Amendment to the US Constitution states that:
(emphasis mine) What the hell could be more cruel and unusual than taking someone's life?**
# Do you know how many people on 'Death Row' have been exonerated based on new DNA evidence? For a short list (or the many thousands) check out - http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/
# Shouldn't our guiding philosophy be "better a 100 men go free than to wrongfully execute an innocent"? At a day and age when we have more incarcerated folks than blessed communist China ... shouldn't this give us pause?
Leviathan already has way too much power - why give it more by granting it the authority to execute people? This isn't a 'namby-pamby bleeding heart liberal' argument - this is as principled as they come.
- R. (a former death penalty supporter until he was exposed to Vietnam, Ruby Ridge and Waco).
*: Yes, I know. The government already violates this principle through taxation. But two wrongs, don't make a right.
**: Yes, I also know that the Supreme Court ruled that capital punishment was not-unconstitutional. But they've also ruled that income taxation was 'constitutional', along with gun control laws, the draft etc.
Dean Wormer
Tip: install a spycam in your toilet.
But two wright's make an airplane. (couldn't resist. don't get to use that one too often).
Gonna play devil's advocate right now.
Seem's that if you don't agree with the Supreme's you feel it's unconstitutional.
How do you feel about other's disagreeing with the Supreme's if it's against what you feel?
It is not for a person to prove innocence, it's for his guilt to be proved by others.
As mentioned by others there have been a hell of a lot of innocent people executed and a lot others convicted on flimsy or circumstantial evidence.It's worse than it looks because once someone is executed for a murder then the case is closed , the legal profession don't like to think they made a mistake and tend to look no further.In the UK we have recently had a high profile case where a convicted man has been found innocent after serving many years, perhaps now the person who was murdered gets a chance of receiving justice.
The process of law is flawed, it has to be because unless a crime is actually witnessed all that can be done is to follow up clues.It has been known for devious murdererd to plant false clues to deflect attention, there are many cases of DNA samples deliberately left at the scene (it only takes a cigarette end to be dropped on the floor).the prosecution can ususlly only "prove" that a person could have done it or was likely to have done it but things aren't always as they seem.
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