Obama Admin Says We’re Dangerous, Rightwing Extremists

[Friday on my mind]

Well then, I'll type slowly so you can learn as you go.

Who sent our children away to far-away countries to die? My 7 year old is still here...did your kids get sent away somewhere to die? Details please...if it's not BS.
So, how many active duty military died in the Twin Towers? Do you have actual info? And what were active duty military doing in the Twin Towers, a civilian business center?
Since Iraq is a years long combat mission, how does that equate with the Twin Towers?
What lie about WMD are you referring to? That the Iraqis had them? Did the thousands of Iranians and 5000+ Kurdish villagers die of sudden heart attacks or some mysterious event that just mimicked poison gas?
What was that nuclear reactor the Israelis bombed in Iraq supposed to be, then? A highly radioactive Baby Milk Factory? "Got milk, Saddam?"
Seems like you are making things up as you go along, then mixing events together to make some kinda "wise" comment that makes no real sense...
Did I type slow enough for you? Did you learn to read a little better?:rofl:

I would imagine he is refering to the young men and women in the military sent to iraq and afghanistan.Like my brothers son who had been in the 101st airborne for couple years by the time of 9/11.Luckily he survived the 3 tours in Iraq he had done before leaving what he had originally planned on making a career of since he knew a 4th tour was coming soon and had real desire to not go their again.
About how many died on 9/11 and in Iraq war I think he meant more americans had died in Iraq then on 9/11 not just limited to service people.
The lies about WMDs are well known.The lies pushed by the Bush administration were that Saddam had current WMD programs.They said they knew where they were and would rapidly display them after they went in.Sent Coling Powell then sec of state up to the UN with all kinds of lies and false evidence of WMDs in an unsuccesful bid to convince the UN to approve and join our military adventure.Powell was furious when he later learned how he had been used and quit over it.Then Bush and friends outed Valerie Plame as CIA agent when her husband dared to tell how Bush administration was lying about Nuke program and "yellow cake".All of their claims about WMDS turned out to be false,thats the record.It's irrelevant what they had in Iran-Iraq war or used on the Kurds 20 years agf course they had WMDS once as the US had sold them to them and had the receipts to prove it,but that was back when we liked them since they were killing Iranians ,we cared little about Kurds and people like Rumsfeld were sent by Reagan to take pics with Saddam shaking hands.

 

[bustybbwlover]

Friday on my mind...you know your words won't matter to philbert the facts mean nothing to him
here's saddam and rumsfeld
http://cupofcha.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/rumsfeld_saddam.gif

 

[Philbert]

I would imagine he is refering to the young men and women in the military sent to iraq and afghanistan.Like my brothers son who had been in the 101st airborne for couple years by the time of 9/11.Luckily he survived the 3 tours in Iraq he had done before leaving what he had originally planned on making a career of since he knew a 4th tour was coming soon and had real desire to not go their again.
About how many died on 9/11 and in Iraq war I think he meant more americans had died in Iraq then on 9/11 not just limited to service people.
The lies about WMDs are well known.The lies pushed by the Bush administration were that Saddam had current WMD programs.They said they knew where they were and would rapidly display them after they went in.Sent Coling Powell then sec of state up to the UN with all kinds of lies and false evidence of WMDs in an unsuccesful bid to convince the UN to approve and join our military adventure.Powell was furious when he later learned how he had been used and quit over it.Then Bush and friends outed Valerie Plame as CIA agent when her husband dared to tell how Bush administration was lying about Nuke program and "yellow cake".All of their claims about WMDS turned out to be false,thats the record.It's irrelevant what they had in Iran-Iraq war or used on the Kurds 20 years agf course they had WMDS once as the US had sold them to them and had the receipts to prove it,but that was back when we liked them since they were killing Iranians ,we cared little about Kurds and people like Rumsfeld were sent by Reagan to take pics with Saddam shaking hands.

My point exactly...he said none of those things, what he said was incoherent and mixed various events together. You said what he meant, assuming those points. Let him actually post what he means to say, and be able to back it up.
No one's children were sent away to die...volunteer military were sent as soldiers to fight in a military action. Some die, some are wounded...we are civilians who quibble over these things. Military are adults who do what they do because they wanted to be in the military...these may be young sometimes, but no one should consider them children sent away to die.
As for fake, lies etc...there is also "wrong"...which is the never solved or settled debate over WMD...and not the only reason we went into Iraq.
As for Scooter Libby, Carl Rove, and all the players in the scenario I was furious then and am still angry now over the whole event. I never liked C. Rove and still don't, and Plame's treatment infuriated me as much as releasing the interrogation memos does today. But, fortunately he didn't throw that into his potpourri post.
As for the comparison of numbers killed in Iraq and the Twin Towers, that may as well have been a comparison of traffic accidents killing more in New York than all the victims of 911...WTF does that have to do with anything?
More military are killed each year in traffic accidents than 911...so what?
How does that tie into any point he made in the post?
Playing word games with the deaths of any of our military chaps my ass bigtime... I hate 1 American going down. Make a point with facts and reason, not with body counts.

 

[bustybbwlover]

i'm sorry i wasn't clear enough for you philbert...and yet somehow friday on my mind could figure it out, perhaps my brain fart wasn't so imprecise and incoherent for him? or perhaps since this is just a place to post one's opinions and not a dissertation You Might lighten up

 

[Philbert]

i'm sorry i wasn't clear enough for you philbert...and yet somehow friday on my mind could figure it, out perhaps my brain fart wasn't so imprecise and incoherent for him? or perhaps since this is just a place to post one's opinions and not a dissertation You Might lighten up

Hold onto that thought...it won't make you any better at making a clear and understandable post, but you can always claim later " that's what I meant".

 

[om3ga]

Exactly. Let's just beat this horse to death. This is the third thread in the same number of days on this same, tired subject. The "search" function is there for a reason.

Didn't you know? We're running low on anti B.O. threads....

Seriously though, I'm starting to wonder why I should bother with the FO Talk section these days....

 

[bustybbwlover]

Hold onto that thought...it won't make you any better at making a clear and understandable post, but you can always claim later " that's what I meant".

i love the interlocutors without them the dialogue would die

 

[Philbert]

i love the interlocutors without them the dialogue would die

interlocutors

n. The performer in a minstrel show who is placed midway between the end men and engages in banter with them.

Where are the cries of "racism"?:eek:
:rofl2:

 

[bustybbwlover]

interlocutors are the people who are certain they know, within the dialogues of plato, good job on your assumptions

 

[Philbert]

interlocutors are the people who are certain they know, within the dialogues of plato, good job on your assumptions

I have read "The Tao of Pooh", but I guess I missed reading the philosophical meanderings of Mickey Mouse's dog.

Hey, I didn't write the dictionary, I just play one in real life.
Nice attempted save...

 

[stampede2873]

Didn't you know? We're running low on anti B.O. threads....

Seriously though, I'm starting to wonder why I should bother with the FO Talk section these days....

Hey... that's not fair! *pouts*

You guys all had 14 days without me posting anything political.

So take joy in the little things!

 

[Member2019]

Is the Obama administration really going to fuck the Constitution?

Okay, now I'm pissed off!

From the distributed report itself:
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/extremismreport.pdf

(U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),
and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a
single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

Does the Obama administration really need a lesson on the 10th Amendment?

Or is Obama ready to make the "ultimate, executive decision" that the 10th Amendment no longer applies after the 1860s and 1960s?

If there is one thing that too many African-Americans dislike, it's the concept of "state's rights." While I understand their dislike of it, there is a major reason for it.

The 1860s and 1960s re-affirmed that the 10th Amendment cannot be used by the state to deny civil liberties. That puts it in conflict with the 9th Amendment, and by their very design, the first ten (10) amendments of the Bill of Rights[/b] are ordered in descending authority. I wish more African Americans would recognize that protection, re-affirmed by the Supreme Court many times. So you don't have to destroy the 10th Amendment, it exists for many other reasons.

If the Obama administration really believes that "rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority" is an issue in general, then they will have a lot of Constitutionalists barking, including the ACLU. People may say things are "being taken out of context." Bullshit, that's a very, very dangerous precedent there.

But Obama is a big fan of Lincoln. He suspended Habeas Corpus far worse than allegedly W. ever did, and directly on many American citizens. FDR did as well on select citizens. Why oh why do Democrats forget that, but "remember" only W. who didn't even do what they did to American citizens?

This scares the fuck out of me. Especially since Habeas Corpus has been suspended to protect minorities before. If he goes back to Grant's justification, I'd say we're pretty fucked. This, combined with the "radical left wing" media bullshit about the tea parties, really does. I'm seeing a major pattern here.

 

[YMIHERE]

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.- Sinclair Lewis

 

[Philbert]

Ah, yes, Nisei...so solly for internment of whole family and loss of farms, business, and possessions...you may fight and die for us and we may relent when it is expedient.
I still feel a deep shame ...many of you will not get that, and it will come again...I hear the same voice in the hateful distortions written here.
Those ignorant of the truth are trapped in a meaningless life...Philbert

 

[bustybbwlover]

I have read "The Tao of Pooh", but I guess I missed reading the philosophical meanderings of Mickey Mouse's dog.

Hey, I didn't write the dictionary, I just play one in real life.
Nice attempted save...

perhaps you should have used a philosophical dictionary instead of a lexical one then, so why again aren't rightwing or leftwing extremist dangerous? whether one is blowing up abortion clinics or blowing up logging trucks. they are both equally dangerous and equally against life

 

[Philbert]

perhaps you should have used a philosophical dictionary instead of a lexical one then, so why again aren't rightwing or leftwing extremist dangerous?

'Cause they don't drive?:rofl:

 

[stampede2873]

The report was issued by the Office of Intelligence and Analysis within DHS. With a name like that you’d think the report would include some data, evidence, references -- something. But it has very little of any of that. It’s full of abstractions, speculation and out-dated anecdotes of isolated acts of violence. As the report states, DHS has no “specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence.”
We have become accustomed to authoritarian regimes in places like China, Burma and Cuba being so afraid of their own people that they see the greatest threat to national security as coming from within. It’s alarming to see inklings of that same mindset from America’s leaders.

If the Department of Homeland Security is serious about cracking down on organized violence, it should look to the Left. The vast majority of instances of political violence occurring over the last decade or so have been committed by leftwing groups.

DHS would do well to investigate the anarchists and communists who stormed the streets of Minneapolis-St. Paul during last year’s Republican National Convention, or the radical animal rights groups that bomb medical labs and threaten university researchers with violence.

Whatever happened to the Obama who claimed during the campaign that he wanted to bring us all together? Nixon never claimed to be a unifier; Obama’s election depended on the idea that he was one.

By issuing this report, DHS betrays an understanding of how radical Obama’s policies are -- so radical that they might set off a violent response from disgruntled citizens. But it also betrays an ignorance of the nature of those who fall into the categories described in the report.

Scores of millions of Americans are coming to realize that the country they once knew is quickly being destroyed. Understandably, they are upset and want to take action. But they won’t resort to violence, in part because they know that in a democracy change will come when enough citizens are informed about what’s going on and vote accordingly.

That’s the point of the Tea Parties. Nobody believes Obama or his allies will be much swayed by the outpouring of concern and anger evident at these rallies. But the rallies do help to educate the public about how radical Obama’s agenda is. And they help conservatives blow off a little steam and unite in solidarity around a common cause. What’s so threatening about that?

Quoted from an opinion piece.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Quoted from an opinion piece.

A very biased right wing opinion piece though lol.




"The vast majority of instances of political violence occurring over the last decade or so have been committed by leftwing groups.

DHS would do well to investigate the anarchists and communists who stormed the streets of Minneapolis-St. Paul during last year’s Republican National Convention, or the radical animal rights groups that bomb medical labs and threaten university researchers with violence."


I can't remember any act of violence by left wingers in last couple decades that resulted in deaths unlike some acts by right wingers.Timothy McVeigh bombing Oklahoma,bombings at abortion clinics and the murder of couple doctors who performed abortions.I'm not saying there has been widespread violence (at least up to now) recently by eithier side.But for that opinion piece to say it is the left who is more violent is over the top and makes the piece something you can just disregard as right wing nonsense.There is no doubt that the militia neo-nazi type groups that people like McVeigh felt allegiance to are much more prone to acts of violence and well armed as compared to anything on the left.

 

[DukeLaCrosse]

wow that article is too long for me to read but i didnt know republicans looked at porn :1orglaugh

if true conservatives like mike huckabee or Sarah Palin ruled the planet porn would be outlawed

 

[Philbert]

if true conservatives like mike huckabee or sarah palin ruled the planet porn would be outlawed

That was deep...if Godzilla ruled the planet hiding tasty humans would be outlawed; if Dolphins ruled the planet we'd all be wet 24/7, and eating raw fish on kelp buns (would there be any porpoise to go on living?); if anyone or thing ruled the planet it would be weird immediately...what's your point?:dunno: