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Obama Awarded for Openness in Private
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Hot Mega
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Just a reminder HM, not all "collective goods" necessarily equate to "socialism."
No...but the principles are one and the same. A shared endeavor by many to mitigate the cost to one.
For example, I'm happy to take out an insurance policy with mitigates my costs and loss. The opposite of that would be I only pay for any loss when it happens but I bear the full cost of it. Without companies which bind together a collection of people willing to pay nominally into something which covers the bulk of the costs of a loss..people would have to cover this on their own or just not be made whole after a loss.
StanScratch
My Penis Is Dancing!
Obama's not even the worst President we've had in the last three years.
ace.venturer
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George is fair and a man of the people. 
George, let's say your dream came true and all the poor and lower middle class folks were all brutally shot dead.
How would you and the wealthy/upper middle class survive without the rest of the world? :dunno:
Who will deliver the mail?
Who will clean the hospitals?
Who will raise those spoilt brat wealthy/upper middle class kids?
Life is short and we should all have an equal right to a basic standard of living. :2 cents:
Back to the topic at hand. I liked BO during the election campaign but I've become increasingly disappointed since then.
Here's why. It's not Kayne West. It's Cornel West.
George, let's say your dream came true and all the poor and lower middle class folks were all brutally shot dead.
How would you and the wealthy/upper middle class survive without the rest of the world? :dunno:
Who will deliver the mail?
Who will clean the hospitals?
Who will raise those spoilt brat wealthy/upper middle class kids?
Life is short and we should all have an equal right to a basic standard of living. :2 cents:
Back to the topic at hand. I liked BO during the election campaign but I've become increasingly disappointed since then.
Here's why. It's not Kayne West. It's Cornel West.
pete rose
Tip: install a spycam in your toilet.
CunningStunts
I changed my middle-name to Freeones
Close, but no Cuban cigar.
Collective goods are things everyone uses that cannot be built/maintained privately (or if they were, they'd be wayyyy too expensive). Your example is a first cousin of that concept, and definitely that argument has been used over the last century to allow the government to encroach upon areas that IMHO it has no business running (although regulation for safety reasons can be tolerated in many cases).
And even if we did think this concept was a good thing to, as you inferred, save money, it's fairly obvious that the government is not very good at that practice. (see article below, Feds spent 8 times money money than it took in March 2011)
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/march-madness-feds-spent-more-eight-time
Even the President's own argument for healthcare reform was based on the premise that we would go broke without it, and it would save the government money. Less than a year later, the White House admits that premise was wrong.
Trident1
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Indeed they are. Failed nanny states coupled with unrestricted immigration also ignoring islamic fundamentalism taking hold in their own backyard. No wonder why the right wing parties are gaining hold. The left dropped the ball over there.
Just as Europe is drifting away from socialism there was an attempt to do the same here when O came into office. I believe/hope that effort has been stopped thankfully.
Hot Mega
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
You may have inferred from my example I implied it was good or that it saves money. However, my point was simply showing how foolish it is for a person to claim they are abjectly opposed to the concept of shared mitigation exemplified in some social program when they likely engage in the same concepts voluntarily every day of their decision making lives.:2 cents:
That's all.
Trident1
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George is fair and a man of the people.
George, let's say your dream came true and all the poor and lower middle class folks were all brutally shot dead.
How would you and the wealthy/upper middle class survive without the rest of the world? :dunno:
Who will deliver the mail?
Who will clean the hospitals?
Who will raise those spoilt brat wealthy/upper middle class kids?
Life is short and we should all have an equal right to a basic standard of living. :2 cents:
Back to the topic at hand. I liked BO during the election campaign but I've become increasingly disappointed since then.
Here's why. It's not Kayne West. It's Cornel West.
Apparently you leftists already want to tax the middle class to death. How nice..............tax the ones who can least afford it. The middle class carries this nation.
ace.venturer
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I just want a system that's fairer than what we have at the moment. :2 cents:
Facetious
Moderated
Disband the post office altogether, they're a 19th century run operation that's in need of some serious downsizing! Really, e-mail has replaced the old venerable paper mail, . . . we need to go green!
Stop cutting down trees for the production of junk mail!!!
Get with the times! No unnecessary traffic on the road!!!!!
Diesel is about $4.40 /gal Unleaded gas $4.10 per gallon and going up up up !
Stop the waste !!! Stop with the overly generous 6 week paid vacations / per year!!!
Stop with the annual post office deficit!
Who cares, they're an absolute disgrace . . . the doctors are turd world quality at best when they actually make time to see you, and the staff are ignorant, arrogant and uncaring to the needs of the patients.
:sing:''It ain't me! It ain't me . . . '' :the finger:
So short it's as if I went from 20 y/o to 35 y/o in a day in retrospect. :o
Not if it you want to bring down those at the top in order to elevate those at the bottom. Seriously, if everybody tomorrow were to wake up as equals, we'd all be living in squalor. Be careful what you wish for ... . .
Trident1
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ace.venturer
I heart porn!
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Just a random example of a job that needs doing. The mail is just an example of any delivery. How do you e-mail the CD I ordered on line? The mail man will deliver it. Does the post office need to be reformed? Sure it does.
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Just a random example of a job that needs doing. You don't care about hygiene in hospitals? That doesn't surprise me.
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I don't just think about myself. It's that me me me me me mentality that is destroying America. What goes around comes around. When you help others you are helping yourself at the same time and the nation benefits. :2 cents:
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our
freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. - Abraham Lincoln
Not if it you want to bring down those at the top in order to elevate those at the bottom. Seriously, if everybody tomorrow were to wake up as equals, we'd all be living in squalor. Be careful what you wish for ... . .
I got no beef with genuine wealthy entrepreneurs who pay their taxes in full. They are vital to the success of any country. It's the ones that graduated from the Bernard Madoff school of business and get bailed out by the tax payer that make me mad with rage.
Equal in the sense that everybody has access to basic necessities and not wealth. That's all I wish for. :tongue:
emceeemcee
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Georgie, I don't blame you for being angry about the article on the Israelis who insisted on a policy of segregation in the hotel they stayed in. It was pretty shocking after all and I imagine you feel majorly betrayed after finally seeing how your beloved Israeli government operate, but denying it by lashing out at the messenger is just going to confuse you even more. Do yourself a favor and just accept it. A few tears may come, but just let them flow.
And as for Obama, you are going to have to do a bit better if you want us to take your communist conspiracy charge a little more seriously. Simply misspelling the word and repeating it over and over while muttering something about Oprah Whinfrey isn't really enough to convince folk ages 6 and above. We'll need some details about how Mr Obama's government has managed to seize control of America's means of production and supply without anybody in the country knowing about it.
Cheers
ace.venturer
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@ Facetious post 71.
You completely missed the point I was making. :crying:
The point is we humans of all colours, races and religions need to stop wasting time, money and limited natural resouces fighting each other and start working together to try and control our common enemy. :2 cents:
You completely missed the point I was making. :crying:
The point is we humans of all colours, races and religions need to stop wasting time, money and limited natural resouces fighting each other and start working together to try and control our common enemy. :2 cents:
I know that you want a system where other poor or/and lazy and/or unwilling to work people live at the expense of others, this by having higher taxes which impact the middle class strongly. The system of forced charity is an abomination. I don't see why people who earn a good wage should be forced to give a part of their income to others just because the others are poor or live in shitholes. As I have debated here and said it many times that socialism is the equal distribution of misery.
I remember clearly the time in France were public hospitals were having good qualified doctors but now the doctors that are in public hospitals are uppershit. I would rather stick with a private hospital with a five stars care service than a shitty public hospital with one and half stars care service.
Your response remembers me what I hear daily from two colleagues at my work, one is a Martiniquese and the other a Guadeloupian. They told me that they wish the socialists will win the presidential elections in 2012, so they will enter in other people's home and steal what they can't afford. I also heard from them that the social helps are an obligation that must be given to each family migrating from Africa to France before the born and bred French citizens. I answered them :"None owes you not a damn thing, you want something, bust your ass off. None gives a fuck about you and your misery. Stay poor but don't try to leech." The Guadeloupean was serving in the French army when he was based in Germany but his attitude is the attitude of a leech off and a dimwit. I am more and more thinking that I should get myself a gun license and a gun in case of my country becomes socialist. I will not hesitate to kill anyone trying to force my property or steal my goods and I will never show any remorse. If deadly force is necesssary I will use it.
People who worked hard and who bought things with their own money are the owners of what they have bought and their property and goods can't be taken by force.
I am not mother theresa and I am certainly not going to assist some parasites plaguing my country because of taxes I am paying for.
:violent:
I don't like sharing or seeing my money to cover the expenses of people who are absolutely not contributing to the economy but who are just taking profit of healthcare and social helps, this is a firm and non negotiable no from me :nono:
People have to be responsible for their ownselves and stop thinking that other people owe them something.
I prefer highly individualistic people than people who can't think about themselves.
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Don't call me georgie again, I trust this is clear. You will always try to blame the Israelis for the miseries and mishappenings of the Palestinians and other arab countries, we know that already.Perhaps you should look more carefuly at who is the leading the hamas, the alqsa martyr brigades, the fplp, the fatah and the hez bollah. People who lead these groups are terrorists, they are the same shit than bassar el achad, mahmoud ahmadinejhad, the yemeni president and khadafi. Once a terrorist always a terrorist.
A big percentage of some of the most important americans firms in the most vital industries have relocated their manufacturing plants in the emerging countries because of a cheaper labor and this has left a lot of unemployed people on the American soil.
What positive have the bailouts done over the long run? What positive has Bernanke made by trying to stop the deficit? You have still a big unemployment in the USA and no real sign of reenlistment in the key industries. By trying to control the banks and the industries, Obama made them stalling. When you impose quotas and a numbers to private firms in the key sectors, they won't be able to hold on for a long time with a ferocious worldwide competition. This is what socialism is about.
Ulysses31
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Who me :surprise: :crying:
CunningStunts
I changed my middle-name to Freeones
Fair??? You want to know what is not fair? Life. You wanna know what else? The fact I'm a single dude with multiple degrees who gets taxed like a motherfucker to support people with multiple kids and don't work. How "fair" is it that I pay for their kids to eat, go to school, and get health care?
Explain to me how that is "fair".
See, using "fairness" as the great rallying cry will only lead to more tyranny... just like right now, we have two parties arguing over how to spend my money. Fuck them both, I want to keep what I earn with my own hard work, minus what is absolutely necessary like ensuring I'm safe and have roads to drive on. Otherwise, you are just setting up a government who deals in taking money from some to give to others... and trust me, no one wins in that scenario... it will create three classes: (1) those who rule, (2) those who are oppressed and (3) those who exist at the mercy of both.
