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[ace.venturer]

Who me :surprise: :crying:

No not you. :1orglaugh :hatsoff:

I'm talking about natural disasters like tsunami/hurricanes/earthquakes or georges. (joke) :elaugh:

Fair??? You want to know what is not fair? Life. You wanna know what else? The fact I'm a single dude with multiple degrees who gets taxed like a motherfucker to support people with multiple kids and don't work. How "fair" is it that I pay for their kids to eat, go to school, and get health care?

Explain to me how that is "fair".

See, using "fairness" as the great rallying cry will only lead to more tyranny... just like right now, we have two parties arguing over how to spend my money. Fuck them both, I want to keep what I earn with my own hard work, minus what is absolutely necessary like ensuring I'm safe and have roads to drive on. Otherwise, you are just setting up a government who deals in taking money from some to give to others... and trust me, no one wins in that scenario... it will create three classes: (1) those who rule, (2) those who are oppressed and (3) those who exist at the mercy of both.

:hatsoff:

You might be surprised to hear that I agree with you. It's not the word "fairness" that's the problem. The problem is government policies and how they are applied in an economy via taxes. :2 cents:

I think we can agree that the current tax system is not "fair".

btw - I get the feeling we don't live in the same country which is also significant.

I know that you want a system where other poor or/and lazy and/or unwilling to work people live at the expense of others, this by having higher taxes which impact the middle class strongly. The system of forced charity is an abomination. I don't see why people who earn a good wage should be forced to give a part of their income to others just because the others are poor or live in shitholes. As I have debated here and said it many times that socialism is the equal distribution of misery.
I remember clearly the time in France were public hospitals were having good qualified doctors but now the doctors that are in public hospitals are uppershit. I would rather stick with a private hospital with a five stars care service than a shitty public hospital with one and half stars care service.
Your response remembers me what I hear daily from two colleagues at my work, one is a Martiniquese and the other a Guadeloupian. They told me that they wish the socialists will win the presidential elections in 2012, so they will enter in other people's home and steal what they can't afford. I also heard from them that the social helps are an obligation that must be given to each family migrating from Africa to France before the born and bred French citizens. I answered them :"None owes you not a damn thing, you want something, bust your ass off. None gives a fuck about you and your misery. Stay poor but don't try to leech." The Guadeloupean was serving in the French army when he was based in Germany but his attitude is the attitude of a leech off and a dimwit.

I am more and more thinking that I should get myself a gun license and a gun in case of my country becomes socialist. I will not hesitate to kill anyone trying to force my property or steal my goods and I will never show any remorse. If deadly force is necesssary I will use it.

:surprise: :surprise: :surprise:

People who worked hard and who bought things with their own money are the owners of what they have bought and their property and goods can't be taken by force.
I am not mother theresa and I am certainly not going to assist some parasites plaguing my country because of taxes I am paying for.:violent:

I think you've made your point loud and very clear.

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[pete rose]

I know that you want a system where other poor or/and lazy and/or unwilling to work people live at the expense of others, this by having higher taxes which impact the middle class strongly. The system of forced charity is an abomination. I don't see why people who earn a good wage should be forced to give a part of their income to others just because the others are poor or live in shitholes. As I have debated here and said it many times that socialism is the equal distribution of misery.
I remember clearly the time in France were public hospitals were having good qualified doctors but now the doctors that are in public hospitals are uppershit. I would rather stick with a private hospital with a five stars care service than a shitty public hospital with one and half stars care service.
Your response remembers me what I hear daily from two colleagues at my work, one is a Martiniquese and the other a Guadeloupian. They told me that they wish the socialists will win the presidential elections in 2012, so they will enter in other people's home and steal what they can't afford. I also heard from them that the social helps are an obligation that must be given to each family migrating from Africa to France before the born and bred French citizens. I answered them :"None owes you not a damn thing, you want something, bust your ass off. None gives a fuck about you and your misery. Stay poor but don't try to leech." The Guadeloupean was serving in the French army when he was based in Germany but his attitude is the attitude of a leech off and a dimwit. I am more and more thinking that I should get myself a gun license and a gun in case of my country becomes socialist. I will not hesitate to kill anyone trying to force my property or steal my goods and I will never show any remorse. If deadly force is necesssary I will use it.
People who worked hard and who bought things with their own money are the owners of what they have bought and their property and goods can't be taken by force.
I am not mother theresa and I am certainly not going to assist some parasites plaguing my country because of taxes I am paying for.:violent:

You somehow manage to be the epitome of why everyone hates America without even being American.

I am more and more thinking that I should get myself a gun license and a gun in case of my country becomes socialist. I will not hesitate to kill anyone trying to force my property or steal my goods and I will never show any remorse. If deadly force is necesssary I will use it.

Of course you wouldn't hesitate to kill someone, it seems like it's your life goal. I don't think I've ever met a psychopath who was so privileged.

Fair??? You want to know what is not fair? Life.

Then stop being such a whiney "tehy took our monies and jorbs!!" greedy hog crybaby.

 

[CunningStunts]

You somehow manage to be the epitome of why everyone hates America without even being American.

Of course you wouldn't hesitate to kill someone, it seems like it's your life goal. I don't think I've ever met a psychopath who was so privileged.

Then stop being such a whiney "tehy took our monies and jorbs!!" greedy hog crybaby.

If this is all you have to contribute to the board, do us all a favor and find a new hobby.

 

[Trident1]

Georgie, I don't blame you for being angry about the article on the Israelis who insisted on a policy of segregation in the hotel they stayed in.

Good for the Israelis. Keep the Arabs/muslims............over there where they can't hurt anyone.

 

[pete rose]

If this is all you have to contribute to the board, do us all a favor and find a new hobby.

You've mastered the hobby of posting on a message board? Sorry you can't really respond to any of my posts without referring to tired rhetoric like a drone or copping out. It's cool, no problem. Don't get yourself down.

 

[CunningStunts]

You've mastered the hobby of posting on a message board? Sorry you can't really respond to any of my posts without referring to tired rhetoric like a drone or copping out. It's cool, no problem. Don't get yourself down.

I guess you find yourself witty and clever. Hold onto that, because I assure you no one else does.

Post whatever you want within reason.... attack people's ideas, likes, dislikes, religion, and penis size. But when you attack a poster personally, that's where normally civil posters here will become a bit peeved.

 

[Hot Mega]

I don't like sharing or seeing my money to cover the expenses of people who are absolutely not contributing to the economy but who are just taking profit of healthcare and social helps, this is a firm and non negotiable no from me :nono:
People have to be responsible for their ownselves and stop thinking that other people owe them something.
I prefer highly individualistic people than people who can't think about themselves.

Well Georges this is the thing most reasonable people realize and that's contributing something or contributing nothing to an economy are not static circumstances. Meaning it could change for either at anytime...since most people work for someone else.

You see Georges...if a g'ment wants to set something up just in a big picture kind of way it wouldn't be wise to set it up based on the best circumstances Georges finds himself at the moment and go from there.

Now Georges may declare and contend that he's impervious to misfortune. Therefore (for example), spare him the opportunity to have his healthcare costs mitigated if he's unfortunately stricken with cancer (or something)...he'll take his chances.

Georges out of nowhere is stricken with cancer and his treatment costs mount into the hundreds of thousands of Euros....now Georges not having the means to cover these costs after having rejected cost mitigation sticks the hospital with the bill...that or he suffers with no or insufficient treatment.

If the situation were setup to where Georges would just be SOL having rejected cost mitigation...A decision like many bad ones he now regrets. Now the state is suppose to let him die while they have the means and the ability to treat you. Does that make sense?

You may say you're fine with that. The average person wouldn't be and that is the scenario the g'ment is going to construct it's priorities around.

 

[pete rose]

I guess you find yourself witty and clever. Hold onto that, because I assure you no one else does.

refer to my rep! im really good at message boarding. maybe YOU should find a new hobby, because i am like the john bonham times triplicate of the internet.

Post whatever you want within reason.... attack people's ideas, likes, dislikes, religion, and penis size. But when you attack a poster personally, that's where normally civil posters here will become a bit peeved.

cool contradiction, brah.

I wasn't attacking anyone, I just said Georges disturbs me.

 

[lurkingdirk]

I think it is time for everyone to take a great big fucking breath and get back on topic or STFU.


Thankyouandhaveaniceday.

 

[pete rose]

Kiss my grits! HAH!

(jk du')

 

[Trident1]

Under a socialist medcare system, one could wait say 9 months for a needed operation...............and then die.......still on the waiting list. To pay for such a wonderful system the gubment will tax you..............and take every last penny.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Under a socialist medcare system, one could wait say 9 months for a needed operation...............and then die.......still on the waiting list. To pay for such a wonderful system the gubment will tax you..............and take every last penny.

So.......What about Canada? Everyone I know there who has had to have major procedures done has nothing but positive things to say about the medical system. No one I know has ever ever waited months for any procedure. Even elective surgeries don't take that long.

What about the current American system, where people simply can't afford insurance and die because they have a condition they didn't know about because they can't afford to go to the doctor? Yes. That definitely sounds a lot better.

 

[Trident1]

So.......What about Canada? Everyone I know there who has had to have major procedures done has nothing but positive things to say about the medical system. No one I know has ever ever waited months for any procedure. Even elective surgeries don't take that long.

What about the current American system, where people simply can't afford insurance and die because they have a condition they didn't know about because they can't afford to go to the doctor? Yes. That definitely sounds a lot better.

Well one can wait on a list and die like this woman:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371861/NHS-director-dies-operation-cancelled-times-hospital.html


or wait.......and wait.


And pray tell who will pay for such a glorious system? I'm not. I'm alreay being taxed enough by the Taxocrats.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Well one can wait on a list and die like this woman:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371861/NHS-director-dies-operation-cancelled-times-hospital.html


or wait.......and wait.


And pray tell who will pay for such a glorious system? I'm not. I'm alreay being taxed enough by the Taxocrats.

What about the current American system, where people simply can't afford insurance and die because they have a condition they didn't know about because they can't afford to go to the doctor? Yes. That definitely sounds a lot better.

 

[Trident1]

What about the current American system, where people simply can't afford insurance and die because they have a condition they didn't know about because they can't afford to go to the doctor? Yes. That definitely sounds a lot better.

As long as I don't have to pay taxes for it.

 

[lurkingdirk]

As long as I don't have to pay taxes for it.

So, to be clear, you care when someone has to wait for months in a socialised system, but you don't care if people die in a non socialised system?

How much do you pay for health care coverage? I guarantee any taxes you paid toward a government system would be less than what you or your employer is paying.

 

[pete rose]

I didn't know you were in Kids in the Hall.

 

[bodie54]

Farrakhan more or less endorsed OBAMA, Oprah endorsed OBAMA and some other idiots like them endorsed OBAMA as well. It was a communautarian vote nothing more, this kind of vote proved itself over the time irresponsible and is tearing USA apart. You are obviously to blind to see it.

Georges we've been over this before, but again, for the record:

70 million Americans voted for Obama.

That's 7 million more people than live in the entire nation of France.

Out of those 70 million Americans, 52% of the wealthiest and 58% of the most educated voted for him.

So as you should be able to clearly see it was a very diverse demographic that supported him - not a narrow communitarian one made up of welfare cheats and Oprah viewers.

Also again: Farrakhan and Obama are worlds apart philosophically, but they do share one common and positive cause: they are both strong advocates of black males being more responsible fathers. I don't see how anyone could find fault with that position.

They told me that they wish the socialists will win the presidential elections in 2012, so they will enter in other people's home and steal what they can't afford.

You may not be aware of this, but since Obama's election the national crime rate has dropped rather significantly, particularly the murder rate, and particularly in urban areas.

 

[bodie54]

Out of those 70 million Americans, 52% of the wealthiest and 58% of the most educated voted for him.

My apologies, the above sentence was not well written.

What I meant to impart is that out of the 129 million americans who voted in the last presidential election, 52% of the wealthiest and 58% of the most educated voted for Obama.

So as you should be able to clearly see it was a very diverse demographic that supported him - not a narrow communitarian one made up of welfare cheats and Oprah viewers.

 

[emceeemcee]

Don't call me georgie again, I trust this is clear. You will always try to blame the Israelis for the miseries and mishappenings of the Palestinians and other arab countries, we know that already.Perhaps you should look more carefuly at who is the leading the hamas, the alqsa martyr brigades, the fplp, the fatah and the hez bollah. People who lead these groups are terrorists, they are the same shit than bassar el achad, mahmoud ahmadinejhad, the yemeni president and khadafi. Once a terrorist always a terrorist.

Focusing on how bad the soviets were didn't make the nazis look any less atrocious.

It's a pretty desperate distraction.

A big percentage of some of the most important americans firms in the most vital industries have relocated their manufacturing plants in the emerging countries because of a cheaper labor and this has left a lot of unemployed people on the American soil.

What positive have the bailouts done over the long run? What positive has Bernanke made by trying to stop the deficit? You have still a big unemployment in the USA and no real sign of reenlistment in the key industries. By trying to control the banks and the industries, Obama made them stalling. When you impose quotas and a numbers to private firms in the key sectors, they won't be able to hold on for a long time with a ferocious worldwide competition. This is what socialism is about.

was Bush a communist when he initiated the bail-outs as well?


another stick in the spokes-

By 2011, only one state will have escaped the credit crunch that is pushing other states toward insolvency: North Dakota. North Dakota is also the only state that owns its own bank. The state has its own credit machine, making it independent of the Wall Street banking crisis that has infected the rest of the country
http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/water-solutions/more-states-may-create-public-banks