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Obama Is Killing Capitalism

stampede2873

Junior Olympic Pole Vaulter
Article by Dick Morris


Before some of you go all "HES A REPUBLICAN!!!"

***Remember this: Dick Morris was the political advisor to Bill Clinton and was the one who structured his campaign and platform that made Clinton President. So a Conservative he most definately is not.

Just read his informed opinion already....

Sit in on a corporate board room struggling to come to grips with the new economic climate Obama has created. Do we expand? Create more jobs? Launch a new product line? Step up our marketing efforts? Ratchet up production?


Well, wait a minute — the bigger our company gets, the closer we come to being "too big to fail," a "systemic risk." The nearer we are to intrusive government oversight, limits on executive pay, and regulators breathing down our necks.


We better watch out. We may even get taken over. Stay small. Forget the new jobs.


An investor ponders where to put his 401(k) retirement money. Should I invest in robust, growing companies? Firms with a bright future? I better be careful — they could get so big that they get taken over by the government and I would lose my entire investment.


Don't invest in firms that will fail, but stay away from those that will succeed too.


Meanwhile, at the kitchen table, a middle class family discusses their career moves. Should she go back to school to pursue a better job at higher pay? Should he put in overtime? Move up in the company?


Hey wait a minute — our combined income is just under $200,000 a year. If we go any higher, our tax bracket goes up, and we start having Social Security withheld on our new income; we lose our current deductions for our mortgage, and state and local taxes, and charitable donations.


Forget the promotion. Forget the new job.


Downtown, investors in a hedge fund are meeting to consider participating in the bank bailout scheme by buying toxic assets from failing institutions. We could make a killing. The investments could pan out big time. It's a risk, but the reward could be great.


But hold on a second — if we make tens of millions, hundreds of millions, while taxpayers have to pay for failed banks, won't we get hit with a 90 percent tax? Won't we see our pictures on the Front Page with the president shaking an angry finger in our faces? Yes, now he wants us to invest, to help him rescue the banks, but once we do, won't he be on our case like he was on AIG's?


The Japanese have a saying that, thankfully, has no English equivalent: The highest nail gets hammered down first. Obama's perverse view of fairness threatens to create reverse incentives, militating against growth, jobs, expansion, and upward mobility.


For decades, astute observers of national welfare policy warned of the perversity of the incentives which kept the poor on welfare and discouraged them from taking jobs.


Employment meant that their slightly higher income would be more than offset by the loss of other benefits like food stamps, day care, rent supplements, and Medicaid. Work didn't pay.


Now Obama is applying the same crazy policies to the upper end of the economic spectrum.


Upward mobility was alive and well in the United States, at least until Obama took over.


A study conducted in the late 1990s examined the economic fate of those consigned to the bottom 20 percent of incomes in 1980.


The analysis concluded that more than 4 out of 5 had left the bottom quintile and 1 in 5 was now in the top 20 percent!


It is true that the top quintile is getting richer while the bottom is getting poorer, but the bottom is not the same people. There is, fortunately, a constant churning at the bottom as new immigrants move in and those who used to be on the bottom begin their long, thrilling, upward climb to the American Dream.


But Obama does not believe in individual upward mobility. He would penalize it, tax it, regulate it, inveigh against it, and disincentivize it. We will be like salmon swimming upstream to mate. We will overcome the currents, the waterfall, the rocks, the predators and will grapple our way up the stream. Then, at the top of the waterfall, will stand Obama the bear, waiting to scoop us up and have us for dinner. The taxman cometh.
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Before some of you go all "HES A REPUBLICAN!!!"

***Remember this: Dick Morris was the political advisor to Bill Clinton and was the one who structured his campaign and platform that made Clinton President. So a Conservative he most definately is not.

Just read his informed opinion already....

I call bullshit. Dick Morris has been employed with Fox for years now as their resident all things Clinton basher.

He was likely due to get his own show dedicated to bashing Hillary had she become president. Now apparently he's had time to re-write his material filling in everywhere he had Clinton in with Obama and here you have it.

To the point of your post though, Obama is killing capitalism?? That presupposes it was doing just fine before he got elected..... And Nooooobody believes that one...
 

stampede2873

Junior Olympic Pole Vaulter
What exactly is he doing to create/stimulate capitalism?????

As for Dick, after he got tagged for sucking on a prostitutes toe his party laughed him out of town! But he is still NOT a Republican. I can attest to that having spoken to him many times.
 

capricorn

Does my bum look big on this forum?
How can anyone sane criticize the 90% tax on sky-high bonuses paid in companies that would go bankrupt if they didn't recieve funds from taxpayers? Who is responsible for failure of those companies, if not their managers? It is shameful that those managers even consider paying themselves a bonus!
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
What exactly is he doing to create/stimulate capitalism?????

As for Dick, after he got tagged for sucking on a prostitutes toe his party laughed him out of town! But he is still NOT a Republican. I can attest to that having spoken to him many times.

Opening for bid domestic contracts (that are funded and underway as we type) that were awarded competitively, that will create jobs which eventually encourage spending and stimulate growth.

As for Morris....you know the saying, "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck" that duck can call himself a pigeon all he wants.

Just like Ah-nold is a RINO (Republican in name only) there are DINOs. Count one Dick Morris.
 

Facetious

Moderated
Lighten up for khrist sake ! We're all equal now !
If you were a good man you would have recognized by now that Capitalism is a representation of over 230 years of white supremacy and racial division. Get with the times, Stampede ! It's YOUR TURN TO GIVE BACK to the world community. Don't you dare critique this MVP # 44 :bowdown:!

Now, Just lean forward, grab your ankles as kiss your little 'ol ass g'bye like the rest of the suppressed welfare recipients 'round here. :1orglaugh


:sing: get back . . get back . . get back to where you once belonged . . . get back . . . get back to the USSR !:sing:

Peace !
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Lighten up for khrist sake ! We're all equal now !

WHEW!!! That was close....I was beginning to think you had something to add to the discussion.:crying:
 

Facetious

Moderated
How can anyone sane criticize the 90% tax on sky-high bonuses paid in companies that would go bankrupt if they didn't recieve funds from taxpayers? Who is responsible for failure of those companies, if not their managers? It is shameful that those managers even consider paying themselves a bonus!

Why is it that Americas wealthiest people are democratic voters ?

Bernie Madoff, Oracle's Ellison, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Hanky Panky Paulson, Georges Soreohhhs. .. .. who are you kidding ? :rolleyes:
 

E-Ann-Hilden

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
This has been beat to death! This country is not going to be a "Communist Nation". This last election is merely a correction the other way of the last 8 years of "W" and 6 years of a Republican congress. People were fed up with Republicans ruling the roost and they voted accordingly.

I hear constantly from Republicans that "W" is the past and get over it, but they are wielding Pitchforks already on the new adminstration.

You had your tea party and if this current adminstration does not solve our problems, you will have your party back in office.

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georges

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Why is it that Americas wealthiest people are democratic voters ?

Bernie Madoff, Oracle's Ellison, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Hanky Panky Paulson, Georges Soreohhhs. .. .. who are you kidding ? :rolleyes:

Daddy O likes the rich friends because they share the additions of expensive menus with him and Mommy O at restaurants.
 

Red Spyder

Yes, I bribed and cheated to get this far
I keep saying, all this mess has its roots in government interference through the Community Reinvestment Act, which later on led to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which later on led to banks being forced to lend to people who could not afford mortgages, which led to subprime mortgages, which led to a housing bubble, which led to banks failing, which led to the whole stock market going down and down and down. It's the law of unintended consequences.

Sort of like the auto industry, unions led to benefits that the big three can barely pay, then came a bunch of CAFE standards and lots of government interference through regulations and now you have the big three loosing money for each car produced, producing cars that a lot of people don't want, SUV that tree huggers don't want, hybrids that real macho men don't want, plus paying an equivalent of $70 an hour to workers that no longer work.

Then the oil industry, the tree huggers and left wingers favorite villain, the all powerful oil industry that took us to an unwinable war in the middle east. If they were all powerful, they'd be able to drill with no regard for any environmental laws anywhere in the US, they are so overregulated that they haven't been able to build a new refinery since the 1970's, new refineries and drilling could create so many new jobs and help us reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and of course if we no longer depend on foreign oil maybe there would be no more "wars for oil"

Yes, the biggest capitalist industries, banking, oil, and car manufacturing have been under assault for decades. Okay, I"m on a rant and a hurry here so I promise to make more sense later, off to the beach for the weekend, C-ya!
 

D-rock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
The real thing that is killing capitalism is...capitalism.


The kind we run today is too fucked up, and we have taken too long to realize it. It's flaws are finally catching up to us. All those benefits of it we have been hearing from idiot economist and free marketers for the past 40 years haven't happen. They're like scientist or engineers that have no common sense. They may have some book smarts and something might work out on paper for them, but they always are so far from the real world they miss the stuff that any average Joe could have told them that was wrong with it in about 10 seconds.

It's time to face the fact that IT DID'T WORK AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. The vast majority of people didn't get more wealthy, and aren't going to get more wealthy. They will be lucky to even brake even. They now have to work harder for just as much or more likely less than the people decades before. The poor around the world for the most part didn't get brought up like we were told. A few of them got brought up by the labor of the overwhelming majority of the rest of them. It just tried to justified exploitation and virtual slave labor. Even then there are still whole continents and sub-continents that are virtually untapped sources of cheap labor if the world needs more.

The whole notion everybody would have service jobs by this time and college educations just didn't happen like they thought. There is just so much wrong with even thinking that was a possibility that's it's laughable for anybody with a iota of common sense. Not only do service jobs require less people for a service then the workers needed to make a product thus requiring less jobs, but to think everybody that had no money, was old, or was in a bad circumstance in life was just going to magically get higher education when it wasn't realistic (and it gets more expensive each year) for them because some dumb ass theory said it was going to happen was pretty stupid. That's not even to mention the national security issues with actually being able to produce your own stuff, like people would expect the most powerful nation in the history of the Earth to do.

Instead of advances in technology making things easier for people, they just made a smaller amount of people that didn't need any more even more money, increased profit margins for a few, and totally replacing people that otherwise would have a job.

People like to complain that unions (not that they are totally innocent in a lot of cases either) or regulations are what drove businesses down, and yet they fail to ever take into account the reality of the situation. Lets see, we as a country have implemented policies that allows businesses to go into places to use near slave labor, places where it's more easily bribe public officials who are even more corrupt than here, totally disregard any environmental laws if there are any in the first place and often there isn't any, not have to pay any health insurance or anything towards retirement, and have governments that will side with them as they abuse their workers. Yet people complain that we can't compete with other in the world. Really, I mean what did people expect was going to happen. I suppose the Republican/Libertarian answer to that would be to sink as low as they are and let our workers be treated like in the same way.

All the while we do this we give enormous tax breaks to the richest among us. You only have to have the intelligence above a retard to figure out how much sense that makes. Usually that gives them even more political power, allows them to influence laws even more, and lets them pocket more of it. Of course republican and economic libertarians will try to make the ridiculous conclusions form that where it will magically all trickle down to us. It didn't, it doesn't and it won't. People are beyond hope if they can't see this by now. That also somehow ignores the fact that if the poorer people had that money or had the tax breaks that didn't need to go to the rich that they would spend the money and put back into the economy just like they theorized would happen for the trickle down economics. It would have been more considering they can't afford to save as much. To bad thinking like that just makes too much sense for those in power.

In all honesty I don't really even like Obama's economic policies. People like to say he's a lot more socialistic, and I have to laugh at that, because on a scale of 0 through 10 on the socialism scale he's about a 4, maybe a 5 on his most socialistic times. He only looks more that way compared to republicans. With some twist here and there their economic thinking isn't as far off as people think. His way might just be a very little less half-ass than the other side.

So considering that our capitalism has made most of us poorer, has brought even more disparity in wealth, has led to the shameless exploitation of others around the world and then made Americans actually compete against that, has helped fund dictators and totalitarian regimes, (the ones that do our bidding and are good for our business at least) has lead to an environment that is more inhospitable to people, has lead to a system in which greed and selfishness (Yes, Americans have gotten extremely selfish.) are actually needed to function, has made the world even more pissed at us and dislike us even more, and has left people without much hope for the future I think we can say what's causing capitalism the way we know it to fail. It's dying under it's own corrupt weight, and it's taking us with it. You can't expect a system that's based off greed to end well. It just doesn't work like that. We should have known better. What we are seeing now is just the beginning of the end. It might take years and decades to get to it's slowly rotting conclusion but one step at a time we are making that journey.
 

calpoon

Yes, I bribed and cheated to get this far
good riddance.

It's nice to know that everyone on here is living in mansions and driving yachts, and not the people who get their schools shut down, laid off from their jobs, can't afford their medical bills and kicked out of their homes and thrown out on the street, people who live in industrial waste zones dying from cancer and destroyed lungs... and that shit was happening when the economy was GOOD! it's been happening for thirty years or more in this country. Ask those people how well capitalism has served them.

or ask the children that are forced into slavery to make your shoes and the women who inhale lead an mercury all day making electronics.

150 years ago when JP Morgan made his first million most Americans made less than a dollar a day (which is now the wage of the average world worker) pulling 18 hour shifts in dangerous conditions and if you got injured on the job you'd be fired, and that was if you were lucky. Most of the kids who worked in the steel mines never lived long enough to see their teen years.

the protection that workers have from the government- minimum wage, 8 hour work day, worker's comp, were put in place by big bad socialism and commie unions and people that fought and died to be treated like human beings instead of cattle by business.

Don't defend these fucks in their ivory towers, they don't care about you. you're nothing but a number to them.
 

bustybbwlover

I'm so great I'm jelous of myself.
my favorite quote, "Hey wait a minute — our combined income is just under $200,000 a year. If we go any higher, our tax bracket goes up, and we start having Social Security withheld on our new income; we lose our current deductions for our mortgage, and state and local taxes, and charitable donations."
cuz clearly the people making $200,000 or more are the people who are in the most trouble but really? obama killed capitalism? shouldn't capitalism get some credit for overextending itself?
 

DukeLaCrosse

I eat, sleep, and live FreeOnes!
try drinking decaf...and turn off the fox news channel
 

titsrock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Article by Dick Morris
Just read his informed opinion already....

Hmmm. There HAS to be some facts lying around here someplace.
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I know if I look hard enough, I'll find them.


Ohh. Whatdya know. Here are the facts...

The real thing that is killing capitalism is...capitalism.


The kind we run today is too fucked up, and we have taken too long to realize it. It's flaws are finally catching up to us. All those benefits of it we have been hearing from idiot economist and free marketers for the past 40 years haven't happen. They're like scientist or engineers that have no common sense. They may have some book smarts and something might work out on paper for them, but they always are so far from the real world they miss the stuff that any average Joe could have told them that was wrong with it in about 10 seconds.

It's time to face the fact that IT DID'T WORK AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. The vast majority of people didn't get more wealthy, and aren't going to get more wealthy. They will be lucky to even brake even. They now have to work harder for just as much or more likely less than the people decades before. The poor around the world for the most part didn't get brought up like we were told. A few of them got brought up by the labor of the overwhelming majority of the rest of them. It just tried to justified exploitation and virtual slave labor. Even then there are still whole continents and sub-continents that are virtually untapped sources of cheap labor if the world needs more.

The whole notion everybody would have service jobs by this time and college educations just didn't happen like they thought. There is just so much wrong with even thinking that was a possibility that's it's laughable for anybody with a iota of common sense. Not only do service jobs require less people for a service then the workers needed to make a product thus requiring less jobs, but to think everybody that had no money, was old, or was in a bad circumstance in life was just going to magically get higher education when it wasn't realistic (and it gets more expensive each year) for them because some dumb ass theory said it was going to happen was pretty stupid. That's not even to mention the national security issues with actually being able to produce your own stuff, like people would expect the most powerful nation in the history of the Earth to do.

Instead of advances in technology making things easier for people, they just made a smaller amount of people that didn't need any more even more money, increased profit margins for a few, and totally replacing people that otherwise would have a job.

People like to complain that unions (not that they are totally innocent in a lot of cases either) or regulations are what drove businesses down, and yet they fail to ever take into account the reality of the situation. Lets see, we as a country have implemented policies that allows businesses to go into places to use near slave labor, places where it's more easily bribe public officials who are even more corrupt than here, totally disregard any environmental laws if there are any in the first place and often there isn't any, not have to pay any health insurance or anything towards retirement, and have governments that will side with them as they abuse their workers. Yet people complain that we can't compete with other in the world. Really, I mean what did people expect was going to happen. I suppose the Republican/Libertarian answer to that would be to sink as low as they are and let our workers be treated like in the same way.

All the while we do this we give enormous tax breaks to the richest among us. You only have to have the intelligence above a retard to figure out how much sense that makes. Usually that gives them even more political power, allows them to influence laws even more, and lets them pocket more of it. Of course republican and economic libertarians will try to make the ridiculous conclusions form that where it will magically all trickle down to us. It didn't, it doesn't and it won't. People are beyond hope if they can't see this by now. That also somehow ignores the fact that if the poorer people had that money or had the tax breaks that didn't need to go to the rich that they would spend the money and put back into the economy just like they theorized would happen for the trickle down economics. It would have been more considering they can't afford to save as much. To bad thinking like that just makes too much sense for those in power.

In all honesty I don't really even like Obama's economic policies. People like to say he's a lot more socialistic, and I have to laugh at that, because on a scale of 0 through 10 on the socialism scale he's about a 4, maybe a 5 on his most socialistic times. He only looks more that way compared to republicans. With some twist here and there their economic thinking isn't as far off as people think. His way might just be a very little less half-ass than the other side.

So considering that our capitalism has made most of us poorer, has brought even more disparity in wealth, has led to the shameless exploitation of others around the world and then made Americans actually compete against that, has helped fund dictators and totalitarian regimes, (the ones that do our bidding and are good for our business at least) has lead to an environment that is more inhospitable to people, has lead to a system in which greed and selfishness (Yes, Americans have gotten extremely selfish.) are actually needed to function, has made the world even more pissed at us and dislike us even more, and has left people without much hope for the future I think we can say what's causing capitalism the way we know it to fail. It's dying under it's own corrupt weight, and it's taking us with it. You can't expect a system that's based off greed to end well. It just doesn't work like that. We should have known better. What we are seeing now is just the beginning of the end. It might take years and decades to get to it's slowly rotting conclusion but one step at a time we are making that journey.
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