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Obama Promised $2 Trillion Savings in 10 Years by Health Groups
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Savings ? Savings from what ?
What a bunch of inverse / reverse doublespeak from our most
"wholly" messianic second black president.
Just f'en tell us what it is that you're proposing Mr President.
How does one save money that one doesn't have in the first place ?
No sale Mr President ~ :nono:
Shame on you for taking us as fools. :spin:
So, wheer are ya off to today, Mr President ?
Oh, can I bum a smoke of of ya ? security won't allow for me to leave the tarmac and I left em in the state provided "smart car" . . oh, bless you Mr. pres ! A cigarette from the President ! Wait, I'm not sure that I want to light it now lol ! Can I get another for a keepsake ?
Why don't YOU have to ride in the "smart car", mr. pres ? When will the Limo version be available ?
ukey:
What a bunch of inverse / reverse doublespeak from our most
"wholly" messianic second black president.
Just f'en tell us what it is that you're proposing Mr President.
How does one save money that one doesn't have in the first place ?
No sale Mr President ~ :nono:
Shame on you for taking us as fools. :spin:
So, wheer are ya off to today, Mr President ?
Oh, can I bum a smoke of of ya ? security won't allow for me to leave the tarmac and I left em in the state provided "smart car" . . oh, bless you Mr. pres ! A cigarette from the President ! Wait, I'm not sure that I want to light it now lol ! Can I get another for a keepsake ?
Why don't YOU have to ride in the "smart car", mr. pres ? When will the Limo version be available ?
ukey:
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Those private health care organizations are running scared and thats why they are now willing to commit to doing something about costs etc.What they are proposing is far to little in cost savings and the proposal lacks any real details of how they would achieve such savings,its just hot air from corporate types looking to protect their profits and keep themselves in buisness.
"The promise from organizations representing the insurance industry, hospitals, drugmakers, doctors and the country’s biggest union of health-care workers could result in a 20 percent reduction in the projected rate of increase by 2019. Such a move would free an average of $2,500 annually for a family of four within five years, the officials said.
Much of the savings will require Congress to overhaul the current health care system under a plan now being debated, the officials said. They provided few details about how the cuts would occur, and said they don't have a way to enforce the commitment. Health-care spending under the current structure is set to rise about 6.2 percent a year in the next 10 years, the Department of Health and Human Services has said.
“It’s great to see folks intending to work together to control costs, but the success will depend on actual implementation,” said Richard Kirsch, director of Health Care for America Now, a Washington-based group lobbying for Obama’s health plan and supported by groups including the AFL-CIO, a labor federation representing about 11 million workers.
" Supporting cost-cutting doesn’t mean insurers will stop fighting against Obama’s proposal to create a government-run health plan to compete with private insurance companies and help reduce costs, he said""
Thats what this is really about^^^^
They are running scared about the idea of a Govt plan that competes with them.They know they would never survive that.It is estimated that a single payer system eliminating the hundreds of seperate insurance company beauracracies would save 300 billion a year with no other cost restraints.That will be a good 1st step.
"The promise from organizations representing the insurance industry, hospitals, drugmakers, doctors and the country’s biggest union of health-care workers could result in a 20 percent reduction in the projected rate of increase by 2019. Such a move would free an average of $2,500 annually for a family of four within five years, the officials said.
Much of the savings will require Congress to overhaul the current health care system under a plan now being debated, the officials said. They provided few details about how the cuts would occur, and said they don't have a way to enforce the commitment. Health-care spending under the current structure is set to rise about 6.2 percent a year in the next 10 years, the Department of Health and Human Services has said.
“It’s great to see folks intending to work together to control costs, but the success will depend on actual implementation,” said Richard Kirsch, director of Health Care for America Now, a Washington-based group lobbying for Obama’s health plan and supported by groups including the AFL-CIO, a labor federation representing about 11 million workers.
" Supporting cost-cutting doesn’t mean insurers will stop fighting against Obama’s proposal to create a government-run health plan to compete with private insurance companies and help reduce costs, he said""
Thats what this is really about^^^^
They are running scared about the idea of a Govt plan that competes with them.They know they would never survive that.It is estimated that a single payer system eliminating the hundreds of seperate insurance company beauracracies would save 300 billion a year with no other cost restraints.That will be a good 1st step.
Hot Mega
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I will reserve judgment (logically) until we see results.
But honestly, can he satisfy anyone on this issue?? He puts together a quorum to allow the industry itself to have a hand in solving the problem and he's doing too little.
HOWEVER, had his first step been to try and take over the decision making, the same people claiming he isn't "proposing" anything would decried his actions as "socialism" "socializing healthcare" or some other such nonsense.
:dunno:
Friday on my mind
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I understand why he is taking it slow ,we all remember what happened under clinton when people(Hillary mainly) talked about reform.While the country is now much more willing to see the need for reform those health care lobbys are still powerful and dangerous to any politician that they think is a threat.
But the goal IMO is to eliminate the "industry" part of health care at least as far as delivery goes.We do that and we can save a lot while covering everyone,just like all the other developed countrys do.
Yeah he (Obama) gets bashed even for what the groups he is battling propose as alternatives to what they see coming.:eek::1orglaugh
bustybbwlover
I'm so great I'm jelous of myself.
i'm with hot mega, if it can be managed: excellent , if not we could end up fucked being just as fucked as we are now but how would that be any different? worse comes to worse it stays the same: fucked.
, if not we could end up fucked being just as fucked as we are now but how would that be any different? worse comes to worse it stays the same: fucked.
Facetious
Moderated
Government is a perpetual Crisis machine.
With this kind of attitude, ahh, never mind, you guys figure it out.
With this kind of attitude, ahh, never mind, you guys figure it out.
hahahha:1orglaugh :laugh: :rofl2: When I will be able to rep you I will give you rep because your post deserve it.
curiousWAN
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hahah... and you people say we have democracy in usa. how about saving from arms industry just 1.5 percent and make even more money out of it? no, health groups better, we have enough people to die, that clearly means.
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Hot Mega
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Oh, obama will employ savings into our health care system, huh ?
Did he say anything about quality ?
Did anybody think to ask ?
Well, since I'm already likely on Janetneapolitano's shit / to do in list, I am asking
I'm sorry doc, I don't understand Sri Lankan !
Well, the costs are a problem in many ways and nothing happened in the two previous adminstrations. I for one, am willing to wait and see what the results are.
I understand there are some who are vested in seeing Obama fail but the rank opposition to any and every strategy he takes to solve problems are destined to leave some of you with more egg on your face than you can clear off.
We saw it with the pirate crisis, we saw it with the swine flu deal where some, including myself wanted him to close the borders. I was wrong they were right.
Some were whining about bank bailouts and in less than 7 months, not only have the banks survived, many are starting to repay the TARP funds...
At some point all the whining is going to become discredited shrill.
Would someone please explain to me what exactly is wrong with "universal health care"????
1) I enjoy waiting in long lines to get something I need.
2) I prefer for the gov't to tell me what it is that I need/want.
3) I like it when the gov't tells me that I cannot get medical service b/c it is not cost effective.
4) I like not being able to get my medication b/c the companies that made it no longer produce it b/c the price they would need to sell it at to break even is much, much lower than what the gov't says they can charge for it.
1) I enjoy waiting in long lines to get something I need.
2) I prefer for the gov't to tell me what it is that I need/want.
3) I like it when the gov't tells me that I cannot get medical service b/c it is not cost effective.
4) I like not being able to get my medication b/c the companies that made it no longer produce it b/c the price they would need to sell it at to break even is much, much lower than what the gov't says they can charge for it.
Hot Mega
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Yeah, that is the current situation it's just the insurance providers tell you in many cases what you can and cannot get, what medications are covered and which are not, etc.
Add that to the fact that in most cases your quality healthcare is tied to your employment meaning that if you lose your job, you not only lose that healthcare but you're left having to pay for a much more expensive alternative.
I was being sarcastic. That's not the current situation at all. If you lose your job, you're offered COBRA insurance, albeit at a much higher premium. People can get lower costing health care from insurance companies, they just choose not to do any research to find them. As for meds now, most insurance companies will cover them (at least a certain percent, told up front when the contract is signed) or offer to pay for generic prescriptions.
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Over regulation, excess taxation as well as the abumdance of unpaid receivables (thank you 20 - 40 million illegal aliens) are the reason why costs went through the roof. Too many paper pushers !
If it means the furtherance of nationalization of private enterprise indeed, I have a vested interest in Obama failing.
Friday on my mind
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Maybe we need a poll asking if all the non americans on this board think that accurately describes the health systems they have since they ALL have universal systems.All the stats show that those countries not only spend 1/2 per capita on health care what the US does but that they have better health care stats and outcomes as well.Better care for the populations at lower costs.
Hot Mega
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I know you were being sarcastic. I was being sarcastic in agreeing with you and I was making the point that in many cases those circumstances already exists, it's just some other entity making the same decisions for you.
Like I said and you reiterated, if you lose your job it's likely the case you'll end up paying higher premiums for alternative insurance.
The point is, the current system isn't working for many people and the status quo is not the answer they want to hear.
Let's see how a new approach works. Right now Obama held a quorum and apparently there was positive feedback and firm commitments to overhaul many areas that will produce savings in theory.
The key to remember is the industry has their backs against the wall and they realize when they ran the smear campaign against previous approaches they have little credibility because the situation got worse not better.
If health care is universalized, who will become doctors? Who will produce the medicines that are needed? If the gov't is going to try and put a price ceiling on services, then the people making/doing those services will choose to no longer provide them. Companies will either leave the country and go else where or decide to provide customers with a different product/service. The people relying og the gov't to help them will be in the same boat as now, only they cannot get what they need b/c no one is bothering to offer it.
If Ted Kennedy was on universal health care, he would have been dead long ago b/c it is not cost effective to keep treating him and keeping him alive. Do the citizens who favor this system understand that? If they are fatally sick, then the gov't will allow them to die so that money is not needlessly spent on them.
If Ted Kennedy was on universal health care, he would have been dead long ago b/c it is not cost effective to keep treating him and keeping him alive. Do the citizens who favor this system understand that? If they are fatally sick, then the gov't will allow them to die so that money is not needlessly spent on them.
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