Obama supporters

[xfire]

well 80% of Americans are 1 paycheck away from financial failure. the working poor are our majority now. you cannot raise a family on $50k a year now. if you can then you are feeding them shit food and living in an area that subjects them to crime and temptations.

Most of Americans are NOT slackards. Most of America works. Our unemployment rate is less than 10% so saying that they are not putting in isn't accurate. But I do think that Americans feel far too entitled just for being Americans. That has become the state of mind of the average American. You have people out there telling you that anything is possible if you want it bad enough. Bullshit! Not everyone has the savvy or the smarts to be a millionaire. Some people are mentally equipped to do labor jobs and that's great, because we need them! We have 3 million jobs that are unfilled because people are not trained to do them. They are good paying jobs but people think it's beneath them to do heating and air conditioning work, or be a plumber or a mechanic. They have been fed this bullshit by the media and the politicians that they can be whatever they want and they shouldn't settle.

Someone needs to take the balls and say you can't be what you want. Some of you will be workers and thats a good thing. You can pay your bills and raise a family and enjoy your life. It isnt meant for everyone to be rich. Not everyone has parents with money to loan you to start a business as that fucking idiot Romney said "Hey start your own business. If you don't have the money people should just borrow the start up capital from their parents" not everyone had his good fortune to be handed a few hundred million dollars.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mariahxxx again.

My parents, grandparents, and great grandparents were all poor Scots Irish, worked hard their whole lives and amassed very little for their efforts. I never knew my great-great grandparents, but I know they were the same. I've done a bit better but only because I busted my ass in college, something none of them had the opportunity to do. That's a reality for a lot of the middle class. I worked in a nursing home laundry for my first two years out of high school, if you want the definition of hard work try working in an 8'x8' metal building with no air conditioning in the blazing 115 degree Texas heat, shoved up against two gas-fired industrial dryers. Good days, I miss that kind of work sometimes.

 

[assari]

My parents, grandparents, and great grandparents were all poor Scots Irish

In that case you could be related to the Kennedy clan. (lol/fuck)

 

[georges]

Finnish socialist and communist fight against Red Army 1939-1940 and 1941-1944, so I would say that they are patriotic people.

The conservatives say that they want tax relief, their view the free healt care is a bad thing and they are in favor of low-wage jobs which means that they want a society based on inequality and in my view it is unpatriotic thing.

Your country supported indirectly Hitler's regime and there were still quite a bunch of Finnish volunteers in the Waffen SS as well as Finnish men in the Wehrmacht. Also, you should look at how antisemitic were the Finns during WWII. The socialists all like the equal distribution of misery.

 

[georges]

you like the police right georges? how about the fire dept? how about roads and bridges and street lights? how about the mail? you like those things I bet. well guess what those are called? SOCIALISM! How about "Social" security? it's right in the name! Medicare? all socialist programs. the military is one big socialist program as well.

so do you oppose those georges?

When police is inefficient, I would rather have a heavily armed militia like Blackwater. This is not a matter of like or not to like. Cops, fire department are government managed branches that are payed thank to your taxes to give you some services: fight against criminality and vandalism, surveillance against forest fires or floods, etc. Bridges, roads and street lights are part of public infrastructures and the useful spending of government which were initiated back in the days under FDR and Dwight D Eisenhower. The mail is also a part of the government services in case of USPS which are offered to the citizen to post letters or cards or send packages.You can also chose to go private with DHL or Chronopost.
I pay taxes like you or any else so I expect to be able to get a proper service. Social Security for people who never worked or who never busted their asses off, but just leech off the welfare program for very long periods, I say give these people nothing. The military is a vital asset to any country if you think that by constantly downsizing and reducing your army's budget then don't be astonished in case of conflict that it will face severe casualties. How many important military programs have been canceled by Obama for implementing healthcare programs which won't even work in the end? Please tell me, I am all ears to hear your opinion Mariah.

 

[georges]

But you have to understand, georges isn't from America, there is a difference between socialism, and social programs, he might not get that. I'm not a believer in obama care, nor do I think people should ride the welfare train forever...but I would just as soon see them fund PBS TV for another couple of years, before watching them piss away money on sending another "rover" to some planet. Social programs that help to an extent, but not support for ever. A difficult balancing act, but one that needs to be worked on,, in my opinion. I'm tired of paying for slackards, and most Americans are....but I would gladly give to a man that's put in his whole life, and is destitute because of what has happened to the economy...from many politicians, regardless of party affiliation. Social programs don't always turn into socialism...but lately it seems like that's the push they're going for, and Americans have the right to be weary, and skeptical of our leaders. They've betrayed us, and are continuing to make no effort to earn the trust we, as tax payers deserve.

Good point :thumbsup:

 

[wdoall]

When police is inefficient, I would rather have a heavily armed militia like Blackwater. This is not a matter of like or not to like. Cops, fire department are government managed branches that are payed thank to your taxes to give you some services: fight against criminality and vandalism, surveillance against forest fires or floods, etc. Bridges, roads and street lights are part of public infrastructures and the useful spending of government which were initiated back in the days under FDR and Dwight D Eisenhower. The mail is also a part of the government services in case of USPS which are offered to the citizen to post letters or cards or send packages.You can also chose to go private with DHL or Chronopost.
I pay taxes like you or any else so I expect to be able to get a proper service. Social Security for people who never worked or who never busted their asses off, but just leech off the welfare program for very long periods, I say give these people nothing. The military is a vital asset to any country if you think that by constantly downsizing and reducing your army's budget then don't be astonished in case of conflict that it will face severe casualties. How many important military programs have been canceled by Obama for implementing healthcare programs which won't even work in the end? Please tell me, I am all ears to hear your opinion Mariah.

the US Postal Service is completely self funded with no tax money and they have to fund it for 30 years into the future so you misspoke again

 

[wdoall]

they're also required to show a profit every year

 

[Mr. Daystar]

When police is inefficient, I would rather have a heavily armed militia like Blackwater. This is not a matter of like or not to like. Cops, fire department are government managed branches that are payed thank to your taxes to give you some services: fight against criminality and vandalism, surveillance against forest fires or floods, etc. Bridges, roads and street lights are part of public infrastructures and the useful spending of government which were initiated back in the days under FDR and Dwight D Eisenhower. The mail is also a part of the government services in case of USPS which are offered to the citizen to post letters or cards or send packages.You can also chose to go private with DHL or Chronopost.
I pay taxes like you or any else so I expect to be able to get a proper service. Social Security for people who never worked or who never busted their asses off, but just leech off the welfare program for very long periods, I say give these people nothing. The military is a vital asset to any country if you think that by constantly downsizing and reducing your army's budget then don't be astonished in case of conflict that it will face severe casualties. How many important military programs have been canceled by Obama for implementing healthcare programs which won't even work in the end? Please tell me, I am all ears to hear your opinion Mariah.

You can' be serious about this?!?! Those fucking maniacs are fucking psychopathic animals. Do you realize the crimes they've committed in the middle east, as part of OUR team? The bad name, and troubles they've brought the American government, because of their behavior. There was at least one incident, in which they drew down on, and disarmed American soldiers on patrol. They have gotten into so much shit, they even changed their name from Blackwater, to Xe, then changed it again! I would just as soon hand a couple of the maniacs on this board guns, and start my own militia, before letting those criminals loose. I put their name into a google search...this is what came up first.
https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=blackwater

The police are here to enforce the laws, and serve the public good. They solve crimes, and clean up loose ends. Their protection isn't a guarantee, as you probably understand. They only fight crime, if they catch it happening.

the US Postal Service is completely self funded with no tax money and they have to fund it for 30 years into the future so you misspoke again

And I doubt they will. With more and more people using the internet, and other electronic devices, I think I'm the only person that still puts a stamp on an envelope....which by the way, are going up again, so they can remain self sufficient.

 

[Mariahxxx]

Well georges all of those services fire police roads and bridges and schools are all SOCIALIST programs. they are government run, price regulated and paid with tax dollars. what meets the definition of socialism more than that? and people who never paid into social security don't get social security in this country unless you are disabled. again, your biggest gripe is constantly people not working and being lazy but you need a slap in the face to wake the fuck up georges. Unemployment is under 10% our BIGGEST group of Americans is the working poor. Notice the word WORKING in that sentence. people working for wages that keep them at poverty level or just above it.

again georges, in english say it out loud WORKING POOR or in Francais "travailleurs pauvres"

and the post office is losing BILLIONS of dollars a year and over 2500 post offices have closed.

 

[Will E Worm]

I think I'm the only person that still puts a stamp on an envelope.

I still use stamps. I'm not putting information that can be stolen online, like banking and so on.


How the Post Office Is Being Destroyed By a Phony Budget Crisis Link

 

[xfire]

When police is inefficient, I would rather have a heavily armed militia like Blackwater. This is not a matter of like or not to like. Cops, fire department are government managed branches that are payed thank to your taxes to give you some services: fight against criminality and vandalism, surveillance against forest fires or floods, etc. Bridges, roads and street lights are part of public infrastructures and the useful spending of government which were initiated back in the days under FDR and Dwight D Eisenhower. The mail is also a part of the government services in case of USPS which are offered to the citizen to post letters or cards or send packages.You can also chose to go private with DHL or Chronopost.
I pay taxes like you or any else so I expect to be able to get a proper service. Social Security for people who never worked or who never busted their asses off, but just leech off the welfare program for very long periods, I say give these people nothing. The military is a vital asset to any country if you think that by constantly downsizing and reducing your army's budget then don't be astonished in case of conflict that it will face severe casualties. How many important military programs have been canceled by Obama for implementing healthcare programs which won't even work in the end? Please tell me, I am all ears to hear your opinion Mariah.

There's so much stupid in this post that it's a bit daunting to tackle. rev addressed the Blackwater bullshit and Mariah dismantled your "people who never work getting social security" ignorance so I'll just focus on this bit of dumb-

"The military is a vital asset to any country if you think that by constantly downsizing and reducing your army's budget then don't be astonished in case of conflict that it will face severe casualties. How many important military programs have been canceled by Obama for implementing healthcare programs which won't even work in the end?"

This has been addressed in other posts, but to refresh your memory, we spend more on our military/defense than the next 12 countries combined. Here's a couple of charts to illustrate the point, please, stop being dumb, georges, I know that's a big request, but don't do it for us, do it for yourself.

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[Mariahxxx]

our military spending is so bloated its sickening. we could spend half of what we spend now and look how much we'd still be spending. Paul Ryan wanted to INCREASE spending by $500 BILLION!!!!!!! yet he claims to be a conservative. It's no coincidence that he looks like Mr Bean. he's fucking crazy!

 

[wdoall]

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Postal Service Bankrupt: Republicans Set USPS on Fire
The*creation of the*post*office is mandated in Article I,*Section 8 of the United*States Constitution. It has been and to this date is a vital part of our nation's infrastructure. Today's postal service came into being in its current form as the direct result of a wildcat strike that began in March of 1970. President*Richard*Nixon considered using the army as letter carriers, but quickly realized that would not work. The strike resulted in the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970, which recognized a new union and created today's United*States*Postal*Service. Before 1970, often a postal worker could not make ends meet without having another job. Today we have an entity that will take a letter sent from Rochester, Minnesota,*and deliver it two days later to Baltimore, Maryland *for half a buck while providing a living wage to those it employs.

Fast forward to December 2006 H.R. 6407; The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act was passed in the Republican-controlled Senate two days after it was introduced in the Republican-controlled House. It was subsequently signed into law by Republican George W. Bush. One of the provisions in this hastily passed law requires the USPS to prefund ALL of it's retirees health benefits 75 years into the future. That's right. The USPS is supposed to set aside money for the future health benefits for people that haven't even been born yet. The USPS has $11.5 billion due in two payments on August 1 and September 30. On August 1 the Postmaster General will announce that USPS cannot make its payment.

While I am sure this will make the news, I am not so sure any major news outlet will report that this a completely made up crisis for the postal service. This bill (with only*three cosponsors when introduced into the House) was designed as a ticking time bomb. The fact that it is exploding at a time like this is just extra gravy for those who would privatize the post office. Federal employment is already at a 10 year low. Using this “crisis” to lay off postal employees would just add fuel to the fire, exacerbating an already untenable unemployment situation.

Privatizing the post office would allow the private sector to break the unions that have worked so hard to make the USPS what it is today. Destroying unions, reducing pay and benefits on the alter of profits will not improve service. It will not increase employment. It will not decrease hard-working Americans' increasing dependence on food stamps and other welfare programs. It will make someone somewhere millions of dollars, and in all likelihood end Saturday mail service, and maybe even the post office as we know it.

So next week when it is announced the USPS is defaulting on it's obligations, pay attention to the way this news is presented. You can be sure talk of privatization is not far off.

 

[wdoall]

all I have to say about Paul Ryan is pull his congressional voting record and see how often he doesn't vote

 

[Mariahxxx]

they did the same thing to the prisons. now prisoners are customers so they want them to commit more crime and come back. so when the Prison Corp of American funds campaigns for judges who do the sentencing....guess what happens?

The postal service is the perfect model for cost vs wages vs inflation. the price of transporting your letter goes up so the cost of a stamp goes up to meet the increase. Simple math that one side just refuses to acknowledge at all.

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thank goodness that asshole doesnt vote lol

 

[wdoall]

the regulations the post office is held to, no corporation in the world could survive under. yet they keep getting more and more regulations put on them, more and more demanded from them and the post office workers have taken a $6 an hour pay cut and a cut to their benefits to try and keep it going so the Republicans can inflict more damage upon them.

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and you wonder why letter carriers snap

 

[Mr. Daystar]

our military spending is so bloated its sickening. we could spend half of what we spend now and look how much we'd still be spending. Paul Ryan wanted to INCREASE spending by $500 BILLION!!!!!!! yet he claims to be a conservative. It's no coincidence that he looks like Mr Bean. he's fucking crazy!

While I do agree, our soldiers should be a number one priority, when it comes to payouts from the military budget, you can't honestly believe that the entire amount they allocate actually goes to the military. You will never truly know where it goes, but I would bet that, much like Judd Hirsch said in "Independence Day". "you don't honestly think a toilet seat cost $800 do you?". Much of that money goes to research for new, and better unmanned weapons, like the drones you spoke of. That would keep our soldiers out of harms way. I would beat a big chunk is diverted to black ops. You don't really think we aren't funding rebels, and other groups fighting civil wars we can't "officially" get involved in. I would like to see the outside vendors, like Blackwater, and Haliburton disappear too...but it isn't going to happen. Nobamas pockets are getting lined, just like Bush, and Clinton, and daddy Bush, and Reagan....and every other fucker before him.

 

[georges]

Well georges all of those services fire police roads and bridges and schools are all SOCIALIST programs. they are government run, price regulated and paid with tax dollars. what meets the definition of socialism more than that? and people who never paid into social security don't get social security in this country unless you are disabled. again, your biggest gripe is constantly people not working and being lazy but you need a slap in the face to wake the fuck up georges. Unemployment is under 10% our BIGGEST group of Americans is the working poor. Notice the word WORKING in that sentence. people working for wages that keep them at poverty level or just above it.

again georges, in english say it out loud WORKING POOR or in Francais "travailleurs pauvres".

I was expecting that from you . People who are lazy and don't work are a problem, do you fucking think that the other people who are hardworking will always accept to pay for people who ride the welfare train all the damn fucking time? Big mistake because they won't unless they are good accepting people that never question Obama's so called socialized policies.

 

[wdoall]

you have that right man, it's time we start taking care of our soldiers and stop taking care of profiteers and politicians

 

[georges]

There's so much stupid in this post that it's a bit daunting to tackle. rev addressed the Blackwater bullshit and Mariah dismantled your "people who never work getting social security" ignorance so I'll just focus on this bit of dumb-

This has been addressed in other posts, but to refresh your memory, we spend more on our military/defense than the next 12 countries combined. Here's a couple of charts to illustrate the point, please, stop being dumb, georges, I know that's a big request, but don't do it for us, do it for yourself.

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Mariah dismantled nothing my dear xfire. Before calling me dumb, just think about the consequences of what will be a nanny state. Same question to you that I asked to mariah, do you honestly think that the other people who are hardworking will always accept to pay for people who ride the welfare train all the damn fucking time? Honestly who likes welfare cases??? .
I am well aware that your country spends money of its budget in the military so you learn me nothing new. You must also think and know that China, Iran, India and Russia have more than certainly increased their defense budget and by this same way developed new weapons programs which cost a lot of money. So your logic is reduce the military and the budget defense to a half or even a third and spend it on social and healthcare programs, I think you are dreaming a little bit if you think that it will ever happen because it won't happen in the present time. It is some thing to foresee maybe in the next years .