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wdoall

My hand is my best friend!
at the same time you've never answered to why should I have to pay higher taxes with lower wages so corporations that send jobs out of America don't have to pay the taxes. welfare for the able-bodied who won't work is disgusting but not as disgusting as welfare for corporations who are already making billions of dollars
 

wdoall

My hand is my best friend!
Also why should we do away with a constitutionally required post office so profiteering corporations can take over that business at the expense of the American people and hundreds of thousands of jobs
 

xfire

@ChrisFreemanX
Mariah dismantled nothing my dear xfire. Before calling me dumb, just think about the consequences of what will be a nanny state. Same question to you that I asked to mariah, do you honestly think that the other people who are hardworking will always accept to pay for people who ride the welfare train all the damn fucking time? Honestly who likes welfare cases??? .
I am well aware that your country spends money of its budget in the military so you learn me nothing new. You must also think and know that China, Iran, India and Russia have more than certainly increased their defense budget and by this same way developed new weapons programs which cost a lot of money. So your logic is reduce the military and the budget defense to a half or even a third and spend it on social and healthcare programs, I think you are dreaming a little bit if you think that it will ever happen because it won't happen in the present time. It is some thing to foresee maybe in the next years .

I knew asking you to stop being dumb was dumb on my part. Now you're moving the goalpost from "Social Security" to "Welfare". Yes, there are reforms that could be made to welfare, but, the abuses you speak of aren't nearly to the extent that you make them, and are a drop in the bucket compared to the defense budget and corporate welfare. I showed you a graph that shows the next closest nation in terms of military spending is China, and we still outspend them to the tune of $516 billion, that's over half a trillion dollars per year.
 

Mariahxxx

I am in my own little world but it's okay they know me here.
Official Checked Star Member
georges it IS a problem, but nearly the entire problem. yes there are those who don't work that hurt those who do. But those who ARE working and know that they are a paycheck away from being fucked are pretty happy knowing that if something happens at least their kids can go to a doctor. and in many cases if someone has a job they don't qualify for any social services even if they are broke.

and Bush cut military pay. look at the condition of the military hospitals like Walter Reed. more than 25,000 military families are bankrupt and even more live below poverty levels. that is atrocious.

I agree that there needs to be military and the best one in the world. but the bloating is sick. the subsidized spending on the tanks we'll never us, that we KNOW we'll never use. the planes that are still being built and go directly to scrap. that is criminal in my opinion.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
and Bush cut military pay. look at the condition of the military hospitals like Walter Reed. more than 25,000 military families are bankrupt and even more live below poverty levels. that is atrocious.

I agree that there needs to be military and the best one in the world. but the bloating is sick. the subsidized spending on the tanks we'll never us, that we KNOW we'll never use. the planes that are still being built and go directly to scrap. that is criminal in my opinion.


And this is where you're wrong. If you want the best one in the world, it requires that we build those tanks, and planes, and ships. We can move an entire fleet, and all of the necessary support, anywhere in the world, at the drop of a hat, and we need to be able to do that. The planes, and tanks, those aren't the drain. It's the "miscellaneous" costs that they not only can't, but won't account for, that are eating up that military budget. I agree our hospitals and post service support are pitiful, and that should be priority one, but the 2 other major powers....they're developing, and testing, and building up. In reality, we are heading into another cold war of sorts. If we fuck with N. Korea, China isn't going to like it, and as much as that little fucker annoys China, they'll still back him. Whose weapons do you think he'll be using, if not actual personnel. China won't just hand over their brand new top of the line fighter jets...but they wanna test them in battle, and you know they'll send a few into the fray, to see how they stand up against us. Same goes for Russia...if we keep fucking around in the Middle East, or Northern Africa, eventually we'll face that shit from them to. Just fuck up a little, and end up in Chechnya, see where we stand. Our government uses the military budget as a way to launder money. Just because you see a figure of X amount, doesn't mean it all goes to the military, THAT'S the problem. Finding that, and holding that deception up to scrutiny, and accountability.
 

Mariahxxx

I am in my own little world but it's okay they know me here.
Official Checked Star Member
build it with no intention of using it? taking it directly from the assembly line to the scrap heap? we're building tanks the military says they dont want or need to satisfy contracts that are 15 years old at the tune of tends of billions of dollars a year. its a subsidy, plain and simple. so YOU are the wrong one here.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
build it with no intention of using it? taking it directly from the assembly line to the scrap heap? we're building tanks the military says they dont want or need to satisfy contracts that are 15 years old at the tune of tends of billions of dollars a year. its a subsidy, plain and simple. so YOU are the wrong one here.

Well, the problem with that is, the military probably doesn't really know what our leaders are planning. I don't think they tell them everything, and I think anyone on this board that's been in the military will tell you, information is on a "need to know basis", and right now, you don't need to know. I can see the writing on the wall, can't you?!?! We're poking our nose into Syria, and Egypt...and who knows where else. I see what you're saying about fulfilling contractual agreements, but still, we need to replace what's been used. Some things can't be reused. Bombs and bullets are a one time use item. I doubt they're willing to, although I can't say for sure...but I don't see our military risking life, just to worry about picking up empty magazines....we go through A LOT of those. And again, I don't really think the allotment of cash for tanks and planes, is nearly as big a chunk of that money, as they're telling us. I firmly believe they're getting all of this shit together for the end game...we are far from done with war, and it's only going to expand, and get bigger, and the players coming to the party, won't be using old surplus Russian AK's, and T34's. You are seeing things to black and white here...you can't just look at RIGHT NOW, and you can't just look at a dollar figure given to you by our government, and trust that it's accurate. Look at it like this, for years, YEARS no one knew about the SR71 Blackbird. It cost a fortune to develop, and deploy...most of it is still classified, by today's standards, the cash they spent on it, was a drop in the bucket, but back then, a dollar was worth a dollar, not a quarter. I'm not saying cuts aren't acceptable, but WHERE the cuts come from, is important, and it's not like they're going to say, "well, we're going to cut the military budget in half, lets give tax breaks to EVERYONE!". I would hope they would use it to repair the infrastructure...we have bridges in this country I wouldn't feel safe walking across, let alone driving a truck over. Or use it for unemployment benefits, or more importantly, reduce unemployment. But I would rather see them use it for tanks and planes, then as a hand out to people that have no desire to work, and leech on the system...and I truly believe there are more leeches, then most people believe, or want to believe.
 

Mariahxxx

I am in my own little world but it's okay they know me here.
Official Checked Star Member
but when planes are being built and taken directly to scrap, how do you justify that other than a jobs subsidy to line pockets of a contractor?
 

Chopper3000

Stick with Freeones
Sometimes it's cheaper to build the things than to cancel the contract. In the UK we're currently building two aircraft carriers even though we will only commission one as it's cheaper to build the second one than cancel the order. It's a crazy world.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
and therein lies the problem.

But that has less to do with the budget, then the policies, and police makers. I would rather our soldiers have to much, then not enough...but for our leaders to want, and not get. Politicians should be making half of what they do, and soldiers twice their pay.
 

Chopper3000

Stick with Freeones
I'm fine with politicians making shed loads of cash. If I was one I would do the same, I'm not one and I don't really care either. All part of todays society at the end of the day.
 
Sometimes it's cheaper to build the things than to cancel the contract. In the UK we're currently building two aircraft carriers even though we will only commission one as it's cheaper to build the second one than cancel the order. It's a crazy world.
Didn't you guys order some Nimrod *giggle* planes and never get them?
 

xfire

@ChrisFreemanX
do you honestly think that the other people who are hardworking will always accept to pay for people who ride the welfare train all the damn fucking time? Honestly who likes welfare cases??? .

IF you were an American, georges, you could ask yourself the following, but you're NOT an American so you can just pretend.

 
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