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Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Excellent post, BB. You can bend a story to fit whatever agenda you may be after. The present US private health care system is oh-so-much better and could never make such a single monumental error....right? Right! They make it 98,000 times each year!
http://www.massnurses.org/legislation-and-politics/safe-staffing/p/openItem/973
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I'm afraid I need some guidance on what the moral of this story is supposed to be. 
Would Medicare or Medicaid have paid for a second transplant? I don't know. I didn't even know that lung transplants were possible. But would either of those U.S. based socialized systems have paid for a second transplant? How about the other major socialized system in the U.S., the VA? And next question, would any and all private insurers in the U.S. cover a second transplant? If someone can definitively answer those questions for me, maybe I can come up with the moral to the first story on my own... or maybe not (cause I don't know that there really is a moral to the story).
Would Medicare or Medicaid have paid for a second transplant? I don't know. I didn't even know that lung transplants were possible. But would either of those U.S. based socialized systems have paid for a second transplant? How about the other major socialized system in the U.S., the VA? And next question, would any and all private insurers in the U.S. cover a second transplant? If someone can definitively answer those questions for me, maybe I can come up with the moral to the first story on my own... or maybe not (cause I don't know that there really is a moral to the story
).
TrueTranssexual
Couldn’t afford CostlyOnes
Terrible...
I'm afraid I need some guidance on what the moral of this story is supposed to be.
Would Medicare or Medicaid have paid for a second transplant? I don't know. I didn't even know that lung transplants were possible. But would either of those U.S. based socialized systems have paid for a second transplant? How about the other major socialized system in the U.S., the VA? And next question, would any and all private insurers in the U.S. cover a second transplant? If someone can definitively answer those questions for me, maybe I can come up with the moral to the first story on my own... or maybe not (cause I don't know that there really is a moral to the story
since he wasn't American, probably not. he was in the Queen’s Royal Lancers, so he was English or Canadian.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is, given the same circumstances in the U.S., would he necessarily have been given a second transplant by one of our "socialist programs", or by the private health insurance industry? I really don't know the answer to that. And with private insurance, it might depend on which state he was in anyway. :dunno: So I still don't know what the moral of the story is supposed to be.
Friday on my mind
Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
Yeah, but what I'm saying is, given the same circumstances in the U.S., would he necessarily have been given a second transplant by one of our "socialist programs", or by the private health insurance industry? I really don't know the answer to that. And with private insurance, it might depend on which state he was in anyway. :dunno: So I still don't know what the moral of the story is supposed to be.
I think the moral is if you have an incurable lung disease and need a new set you take what you can get.
From the link:
"The hospital defended using smokers’ lungs for transplants, saying that all organs were screened rigorously.
Speaking after the inquest, Mr Millington’s father Lester, 61, said: “I have never contemplated further action. I wanted to get to the inquest but I was 99.9 per cent certain that nothing they did wrong was done wrong wilfully. It is a fact that 51 per cent of all lungs transplanted at Papworth come from donors who smoked.
“Without using such lungs many more people would die without receiving a transplant.”
jasonk282
Banned
I agree with this point. Why would we give a smoker a new set of lungs? That is like giving an alcholic a new liver.
Facetious
Moderated
I'm not referring to today's horrible health care quality, I'm referring to yesterday's quality of health care, before the tsunami of future democratic constituent non citizens (guess who) came to destroy, by intent and happenstance alike, our health care system.
Do you have an annual year by year graph for the amount of times the private sector fucks up a patient going back, ohh.... 10 - 20 years ? Things have worsened, have they not ? Why ? Well, likely for the same reason you recently opened a thread about advice on purchasing a handgun
, is it not ? Is something, or more appropriately, is somebody encroaching on your immediate environs as of late ?, these foreign born politician asset, non citizens who are sucking our way of life, medical infrastructure included, dry ? Of course the system is fucked up and it's going to get progressively worse as our health care system further transmogrifies into a "fair for all" (foreign non Americans included) health care system. Figuratively speaking, the government will gladly provide everybody with a bologna on stale white, less cheese quality of health care and you are biting ? Why are you biting ? because of the imperative to believe to the contrary of what some right wing jughead / tv political personality believes ? Listen, I don't watch these blowhard bums for one, two, I despise politics and three, my primary concern is my personal self preservation. I never thought that I would be living in a time when The People would feel self conscious about their own self preservation, is that ever humbling.
What has happened to both the quality and cost of our overall health care system in general over the last say, 6 years ? I list 6 because my most comprehensive Blue Cross medical insurance rates back when were at a very affordable $150.00 per month, can you show me how Blue Cross insurance has skyrocketed in it's earnings over the last 6 year time frame ? Do their earnings gains equal that of the actual increase in the percentage of insurance rate hikes ?
You also seem to be opposed to private sector health care because of your firm belief that the insurance companies are ripping everybody off, maybe in some cases they are but not all. Are you sure that they're not just raising their insurance rates because of the fact that medical services costs have increased due to an ever increasing number of unpaid receivables ? You do know that hospital unpaid receivables, mostly due to non citizen exploitation have skyrocketed over the last approximate 6 years, no ? Understood, it is politically "more correct" to attack the businesses (insurance co.s) as opposed to addressing the root core source of the problem, the influx of millions upon millions of non citizens, many of which come to America to topple our once flourishing economy, I get it.
Finally, Are these so called exorbitantly increased insurance rates at or above other private sector entities that you haven't included on your unfair enrichment list, maybe a google or a microsoft for example ? Oh that's right, health care is a right and should be "free", that is, free for those who don't pay a dime in taxes.
Moral of the story is that we're headed into the eye of the storm when only a bureaucrat will get to decide for us not the best quality in the hopes of preserving our lives (unless of course we're as gifted enough to be a close relative of some sleazy bureaucrat in Awashington) but for the "best deal" that only govt. could provide.
Respectfully F
sorry for typos, poor sentence structure, sp errors etc... just some thoughts that have came to mind. don't have time to proof .... gotta go now....................>
grassninja
If Viagra were smarties, a tube would cost $20
That's a rather strange one. When I was in college, I remember we had speaker who was an exports on the ethics of organ transplantation, he had that in most of Europe your organs are available for transplant unless you opt out.
I would think that they would would a better screening process, but perhaps this is just one of those unfortunate glitches.
It goes to prove that like care be shitty and cruel to the people least deserving of it.
I would think that they would would a better screening process, but perhaps this is just one of those unfortunate glitches.
It goes to prove that like care be shitty and cruel to the people least deserving of it.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I don't have that information, no. I also have no idea if the number or percentage of major medical fuck-ups have gone up in the past 2 decades (my guess would be "yes" but I have no evidence that would prove it). However, there can be no question that the whole health care system has gotten much worse and much more expensive in that time frame. There are a whole host of reasons why this has happened (the burden of illegal aliens being allowed into not only the health care system but every other part of the American infrastructure most definitely included). At the end of the day, however, you aren't going to bring back company-paid comprehensive health care any more than you could bring back gasoline for under a buck a gallon. It's a lot more complicated than simply blaming illegal aliens.
Why ? Well, likely for the same reason you recently opened a thread about advice on purchasing a handgun
That's incorrect, buddy. I began to consider the purchase of a handgun because I am beginning to get old (56 next month!) and I am no longer as confident in my physical ability to protect my family (to the degree that I used to be capable that is
) from potential harm. I live in a state that literally has millions of Hispanics, legal and illegal (how do you tell the difference?) as a part of the local population and it has been that way for many, many years. Xenophobia had nothing to do with my handgun purchase.Figuratively speaking, the government will gladly provide everybody with a bologna on stale white, less cheese quality of health care and you are biting ? Why are you biting ? because of the imperative to believe to the contrary of what some right wing jughead / tv political personality believes ? Listen, I don't watch these blowhard bums for one, two, I despise politics and three, my primary concern is my personal self preservation. I never thought that I would be living in a time when The People would feel self conscious about their own self preservation, is that ever humbling.
What has happened to both the quality and cost of our overall health care system in general over the last say, 6 years ? I list 6 because my most comprehensive Blue Cross medical insurance rates back when were at a very affordable $150.00 per month, can you show me how Blue Cross insurance has skyrocketed in it's earnings over the last 6 year time frame ? Do their earnings gains equal that of the actual increase in the percentage of insurance rate hikes ?
You also seem to be opposed to private sector health care because of your firm belief that the insurance companies are ripping everybody off, maybe in some cases they are but not all. Are you sure that they're not just raising their insurance rates because of the fact that medical services costs have increased due to an ever increasing number of unpaid receivables ? You do know that hospital unpaid receivables, mostly due to non citizen exploitation have skyrocketed over the last approximate 6 years, no ? Understood, it is politically "more correct" to attack the businesses (insurance co.s) as opposed to addressing the root core source of the problem, the influx of millions upon millions of non citizens, many of which come to America to topple our once flourishing economy, I get it.
Finally, Are these so called exorbitantly increased insurance rates at or above other private sector entities that you haven't included on your unfair enrichment list, maybe a google or a microsoft for example ? Oh that's right, health care is a right and should be "free", that is, free for those who don't pay a dime in taxes.
To quote Robert DiNiro...."are you talkin' to me???. If so....damn dude....you sure are cramming a lot of words in my mouth! When did I ever say that I wanted "stale bread and bologna" quality of health care? And when did I ever say that I wanted to do away with private health insurance? I absolutely don't. Nor do I believe that people should be forced to buy health insurance from companies whose only interest is to show a profit. I frankly don't care about Anthem's bottom line....the company I work for has seen its costs skyrocket over the same time frame as well. Is that also the fault of illegal aliens? Besides, if you look at the annual salaries of these prominent health care CEOs, I'd say it's reasonably safe to say that their companies are managing to keep their financial heads above water:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/12/Health_care_equipment_services_Rank_1.html
That said....I believe there needs to be a major restructuring of the American health care system and that there absolutely must be a public option in order for such reform to be genuine. I am not in favor of illegal aliens participating in public health care. Let them either become citizens the legitimate way or go back from whence they came. How one accomplishes that is the problem. If your question revolves around whether unemployed or indigent American citizens should be able to participate in public health care, the answer is yes, I do. There's a big difference between naturalized American citizens and illegal aliens in my view.
Why? No one is going to take away your precious Anthem coverage. And you want to talk about a bureaucrat making making medical decisions (I assume this is a tacit reference to the infamous "death panels" scare tactic drummed up by extreme right-wingers)?? I hate to break it to you, Facetious, but we've already got death panels....they are called "your health insurance company".
As always....I appreciate and respect your insights and views on these issues....I just disagree. :glugglug:
