Outlawing guns in the US ...

[ninetysixcavy]

What's your definition of Suburb, Rural and Inner city? Would you like to know the reason why you can form your "safe" conclusion? Racism. It's also the reason any person's safety is at issue from walking down "the wrong part of town." Some ghettoes/barrios are nothing more than Americanized "Sadr Cities."

Is that acceptable to you? Why don't you want to feel free to walk down any public street in any town in America? Why is racial compartmentalization so acceptable to Conservatives/Wackoes?

So you're assuming a certain "race" lives in the inner-city? Now that is racism....

For the record...I am caucasion and I live in the inner-city.

YOU are the one who injected race into a discussion that was free of it. :wtf:

But you don't have to answer my question. I (we) already know the answer. And you do to.

 

[Facetious]

The reason the super-rich power brokers of America are such geniuses is because they have 50% democrats, 50% republicans, and a couple of odd ball libertarians (who ended up on Freeones, apparently), *all* frightened of ever touching the system or ever challenging the government in time of war or ever admitting "our system sucks, we're bonded into a new form of slavery and completely powerless"...

OK ! OK ! I'm a laissez faire minded Independent already ! Jaysus ! You shouldn't be so judgmental with your showering of pejoratives, after all, it's all about choice and diversity, or so I thought. When did the tide turn that it's open season to rip the Libertarians ? I would appraise that the Libertarians are the real "originalist liberals" known in American politics. Becoming a Libertarian is somewhat of a courageous endeavor, as you knowingly enter the arena of politics as a minority.
Of all the Libertarians that I know, each has a revelation of how the R or D poiltical party apparatchiks had burned them. Of all the Libertarians that I know, each are very focused and extremely principled individuals. Finally - Of all Libertarians that I know, each detest a bloated, wasteful, self serving, dysfunctional and non representative bureaucracy !

Now that isn't so "odd ball" !

 

[Member2019]

I personally agree with many of your points. I just wish you wouldn't accuse every American of being dull-witted morons that are too afraid "of ever touching the system or ever challenging the government in time of war or ever admitting "our system sucks, we're bonded into a new form of slavery and completely powerless"..."

Yes, this is what really, really gets old. Especially the "only the US is wrong" attitude over and over and "Americans are dumb" any time they don't vote the way Fox wants.

Fox utterly misses the point of the Democratic-Republic process. That no single person's will wins, and that everything is a compromise. We all don't agree, except on how we will agree to undergo a process to do anything, with balances to those processes.

Americans change the system from the inside, because the system of government isn't broke. It's purposely designed so the system doesn't "change on a whim" which can vary from day-to-day.

"Changing on a whim" is why every Democracy fails. The US is the first successful Democratic-Republic for a reason. It finally found a balance. I would argue that its balance that still isn't found elsewhere -- especially because our parties differ between our Legislative and Executives.

The "Whaaa! I think it should be this!" is getting old. Work within the system or get the fuck out. Either that or start a revolution. In any case, quit assuming you "speak for the people." Popularists do that and actually do nothing.

Real leaders lead by example and actually stop to understand the civics behind a system, even if they disagree. Being knowledgeable of "what the people want" begins with actually reading what the people have said over the last 400 years of the American nation.

Until then Fox is just spewing out non-sense based on having 0 understanding of what Americans have decided over 400 years of virtual self-governance (the last 230 officially).

 

[Member2019]

Commenting on a nation without understanding its civics is just ignorance ...

The odd-ball thing was an in-joke because RN in the past and Prof V throughout his entire life (it seems) have been pretty nasty to me many times

Why don't you just stop and read about all the people who helped define this nation that you despise before judging them as "old" or "no longer relevant"? That's all we ask.

I'd expect the same of myself if I was commenting on another nation! Seriously! I'd hold myself to the same standard as an American commenting on another nation.

which is why Libertarian is a joke-term to most Americans and a bizarre incomprehensible product of pure Americana to the rest of the world

The concept of the American Libertarian-Capitalist has always been such. But since when is world approval needed? Better yet, since when has world approval been required for the American Nation to exist?

Why not have a nation that is different than just another that is the same? Do you not know of anything about the American Nation and its history? Seriously?!

who mostly have never heard of it

And yet it defines the American Nation. Why is that?

It must suck to be insignificant and thought of as such, but I intend make sure that someday Libertarians the same voice as everybody else. One person, one vote. Democracy.

"I intend make sure that someday ..."
And how are you actually going to do that? Seriously?!

As for Prof V, in yet another endless long proclamation of Libertarian and American supremacy filled with the kind of "putting-false-words-in-people's-mouths" made famous by Fox News and such

If you actually read what I said, instead of reading it as you want, you'd actually see my viewpoint. Again, why should the US be just like every other nation? If you knew something of our history, you'd actually might understand that.

I'm not asking you to agree. I'm asking you to actually go read up. That's always been the problem. I'm not lambasting your views. I'm lambasting your ignorance. I'd lambast anyone's purposeful, admitted ignorance when they refuse to stop telling people what to do without stopping to actually listen to them, as well as read their history on the matter.

If you read up and still disagree, that would be one thing. But you see no reason to learn anything about the civics of a nation. And that's not merely limited to the US either. If you were lambasting other nations, I'd say the same if you said you see no reason to stop and understand their civics.

That's the difference between you and I. I'm not aruging "what's wrong with country X." I'm not about to tell any other nation "what's wrong with their nation." I'd be ignorant to do such myself! I'd expect myself to read up on their civics (of which I have of several nations, but not nearly enough) before trying to engage in debate.

it's been one too many bold-type I-know-everything I-am-America posts, and nobody really reads them anymore

No. If you actually read what I said, I said there are those of us who have actually read up on the civics of the American Nation and those who have not. I am in the former category, as are others. You have purposely admitted that you have not. I don't know how else to say it, that's ignorance, pure and simple.

Once I commented on the UK, and someone pointed out that I was ignorant of something. I readily admitted it. I read up more and understood what they meant. I couldn't understand that from my point of ignorance before I did. After I read up, I did.

I mean, if anyone remembers the whole "I sexually abused a woman and my wife left me" facade

Yes. I made a single, three (3) thread set to "prove a point" and it's the only time I've purposely lied and some people play it over and over and over again like "it's everything." Give me a break.

I have this same problem in my professional career with a small subset of people. I make 1 mistake about every 2 years. A small subset of people make a "big deal" about it, until someone else points out that "hey, it's pathetic that you have to point out his 1 mistake that he only makes every 2 years when you make them all-the-time."

Same deal here. I make a single, 3-thread set of lies to "prove a point" once and only once in my entire 3 year history of the board and you can't stop going over and over and over on it. Dude, it was 7 months ago now and you're still going on about it. Talk about a fixation! Deal with the discussion at hand and stop trying to go around and play games.

Can't you find something more recent? Seriously?! It's rather pathetic that you're quoting that single incident in 3 years of being on this board. I did it to "prove a point" where select people were going "I told you so." Seriously, if that's all you can come up with, it's pathetic that you can't find anything else.

and the more reason "get the fuck out" directed at me

Yes, get the fuck out. You're too ignorant to vote and you keep lambasting ALL of us Americans when we don't vote the way you want. Seriously! You only have "respect" for people when they vote the way you want.

It's one thing to actually know something and differ with me. It's another to keep going over simple, Democratic ideals 101 as if they are a new concept. Sorry, we've had them for several thousands of years. But the American Democratic-Republic experiment is only 400 years ago. Too bad you don't bother remotely reading up on it.

Case-in-Point:

If you don't want to respect the 400 years of human mindshare, debate and compromise from thousands upon thousands of people that went into building this nation, why should we stop to listen to yours? That's the difference between a republic and a dictator, and you want to be a dictator -- the very term, "dictate." Building a Democratic-Republic that not only lasts, but protects basic freedoms, requires thousands and thousands of people to compromise.

we know what kind of man we're dealing with, and how seriously we can take him, and like I said before, it's just worrying that this kind of person teaches our children *anything*.

Because I made a purposely lie some 7 months ago in my 3 years? Again, this is pathetic.

But even people like that should have a voice - an equal voice. Don't you think?

Apparently you do not. Or you'd actually stop and read up on what Americans have debated and compromised on over 400 years. You want to "dictate" what "equal voice" is. You can't remotely grasp that concept because all you do is "dictate" what it is, instead of stopping to read on what thousands of people have defined it as.

People say "I sit the fence" or "don't take a stand" or "seem to be the worst of both Democrats and Republicans." Gee, let's see here, maybe just maybe it's because I've actually read up on my civics and understand the the importance of just "dictating" my views.

In fact, most of the time I am not giving my opinion, but actually just stating the history of the American civic viewpoint on the matter. Did you ever consider that?

End of my responses on this matter. You can say all you want about me, but it doesn't remove that fact that all you do is "dictate" what you think Democratic ideals are, without any actual ideas of how to implement them. If you want an example of how difficult that is, you've got a 400 year old one in front of you that you might want to read up on.

 

[titsrock]

So you're assuming a certain "race" lives in the inner-city? Now that is racism....

For the record...I am caucasion and I live in the inner-city.

YOU are the one who injected race into a discussion that was free of it. :wtf:

But you don't have to answer my question. I (we) already know the answer. And you do to.

Ninety, sometimes I wonder what you're reading comprehension level is. Did you bother to read AND think or did you merely do the once-over, glance at a keyword and then... R A G E:flame: :dunno:

You were either dancing around the word RACE or taunting it based on your recent posts.

Where did the label BARRIO come from? Certainly not the McMansion Development in Starbuckia Suburb. Hint: large group of latinoes settle together. Same story for the word GHETTO. Or the "Irish Quarter" or the "Little Italy" part of some city...

When a state/city is setup to fund Public Services--Education/Law Enforcement by collecting/spending property taxes--which community will have the worldclass services and which community will have Sadr City services? When there is little regulation over sales of homes in Starbuckia, you might be able to see how some communities can close themselves off from prospective, qualified buyers who want to move up in the world, out of the Ghetto/Barrio/Little Italy and into mainstream Starbuckia.

 

[Member2019]

Why I posted this poll and how I actually voted ...

Some people have a problem with the results and accuse me of biasing the answers. I'm willing to say that I could influence some votes. But I put the answers in a way that would make any US History or Civics Professor happy, not how I wanted to allegedly influence the results.

I also offered an "Other" option if you didn't like the options, but only 5% selected that.

In general, the results were ...

- Under 20% of you wanted the 2nd Amendment overturned
- Around 75% of you did not want the 2nd Amendment overturned

That's a huge difference that cannot be explained by my wording.

But more importantly, the results I were interested in ...

- Half of those who wanted it overturned wanted to use the Constitutional Process, the other half did not.
- A whopping 85% of those who did not want it overturned did not want any of the Bill of Rights overturned

Now that latter was shocking! That's 85% of people. You can't explain that away like a hanging chad.

To make this point further, I did NOT! vote that option! I actually voted for this, based on my strong respect for civics:
No, but I'd accept it if overturned with Constitutional process and super-majority

In the end, here's the civic reality ...

- Only around 20% of us wanted to let the defined, Constitutional process decide if it should remain or not
- Still a super-majority 75% of others said they want it either overturned by simple majority or never wanted any of the Bill of Rights to be overturned

All-in-all, this poll wasn't about whether the 2nd Amendment should be overturned or not. I wrote this poll to see if people wanted to follow Constitutional process on that, or not.

Some people disagree with the results. I'm sorry, the results are quite huge and differentiating to chalk up to my wording. Some people just cannot accept how others feel. If there is a guiding rule of civics, it's that we all have to find common processes, even if we don't have common goals or viewpoints.

Anything else is just a dictation from a few to many. I would not even trust myself to do such, and that's why most of my comments on FreeOnes are made from an American Civics standpoint, and not just my own views and/or opinions (which often do NOT match).

 

[titsrock]

Prof--
I wonder if you're not too ignorant to vote. You have a warped view of Libbyism and have now created your own version--American Libertarian Capitalism? Of course Libbys also have LOTS of problems with Capitalism. I guess those problems can be "swept under the rug?"

America may have, at one time, been started by ex-British Squires, to be something "perfect."

But since your fond Capitalist MegaCorps decided to use the GLOBALIZATION BUSINESS PLAN...we might as well just get on the "Europeanization" of America now. It's getting too expensive to remain a "Free Market Capitalist" nation.

Look at all the bailouts that are about to happen and have happened (Bear Stearns). We have bailouts coming for Homeowners, Banks, Airlines, Automobiles. Even Hillary Clinton needs her own bailout.

If nobody cares to follow the "free market" tenets, why don't we just head over to Socialistville and "get with the program"? Pretty much every Western European Country, even the Socialist ones, are kicking our ass right now....they all have Universal Heathcare, and other cradle-to-grave services and they don't seem to be teetering on bankruptcy like our country is right now...

Every business person or Republican shouts a full-throated FREEEEE MARKETS! roar but they all ideally want a colluded, price-fixed market, where they achieve monopoly status. ANd when Big Business Company gets itself in a shitter, they go running to the government with a hat out looking for tax payer money. When a company makes a mistake, shouldn't it have the responsibility to manage its way out of trouble? If it's okay for the Corporation to receive Cradle/Grave treatment (also in the form of subsidies) why is it unacceptable for PEOPLE to receive the same assistance?

 

[Member2019]

When did I say that? Not what I say, but what you assume ...

But since your fond Capitalist MegaCorps

Who says I'm "fond" of them?
Just because I'm a die-hard capitalist does not mean I agree with the Facist Economic model we've adopted that promotes mega-corps!
Huge difference!

Now does anyone want to actually stop and separate the fact that someone can be an American Libertarian-Capitalist and strongly disagree with what the US government does at times?
I also use the phrase American Libertarian-Capitalist for a reason, and not Libertarian-Socialist -- note that difference!

The Mega-corps are partially the result of government non-sense as well as their own stupidity.
I also take serious issue with how the Federal Reserve Corporation handles itself, and how much liability the US public takes on.

Look at all the bailouts that are about to happen and have happened (Bear Stearns).
We have bailouts coming for Homeowners, Banks, Airlines, Automobiles.

Let them fail!
All Bear Stearns proved was that greedy investors can dupe the Fed!

Capitalism is built on the fact that when corporations and people get greedy, they should fail!
That's why I like capitalism over socialism, when a corporation gets stupid, greedy and/or corrupt, it fails.

When a government gets stupid, greedy and/or corrupt, it doesn't.
In fact, as a consumer, I can at least influence corporations every day, whereas the government I'm "stuck with what I got" for 2, 4 or 6 years.

Part of the problem with the mega-corps and other non-sense is the government!
We do not have "free market" capitalism, healthcare, etc..., we have facist economies, healthcare, etc...
The government forces you to do things or it penalizes you, gives exclusive monopolies to companies, etc...

Government continues to be the problem and why we don't actually have capitalism!

Even Hillary Clinton needs her own bailout.

Again, stupid, greedy and/or corrupt.

If nobody cares to follow the "free market" tenets, why don't we just head over to Socialistville and "get with the program"?

Haven't I said that?
I've said that before!
We actually agree more than we disagree.

I'd repeatedly said either give me "free market" healthcare or just socialize (although please do it at a state level so I can move to another state if I don't like it in my current one).
Same deal on so many other issues.

Pretty much every Western European Country, even the Socialist ones, are kicking our ass right now....they all have Universal Heathcare, and other cradle-to-grave services and they don't seem to be teetering on bankruptcy like our country is right now...

Correct.
We've spent ourselves into social services on the belief that we can sustain the revenue required to support it, all while ignoring basic services.
And we've utterly expensed capitalism in favor of the facist economic model.
I agree completely.

But with government socialism comes control, and control means less freedom, not more.
Which is why I will stick to my stand that I do NOT want:
- A financial safety net
- A socialized health or retirement plan
- A list of rules to protect myself from whatever

But I also do NOT want:
- Stupid rules on how I finance my life or retirement
- Stupid rules that penalize me for being responsible on my insurance
- Stupid rules that prevent me from doing anything that does not harm others

I'm an American Libertarian-Capitalist, not a Republican-Facist or Democrat-Socialist.
Do not mistake me for the former, and do not make the mistake that the latter is the solution.
The United States was founded on being different, and we've started to conform in the post-Cold War which is part of the problem.

I say we let the EU deal with their oil issues and pull out of the middle east entirely.
We can get all we need from the Americas and a few other places.

Every business person or Republican shouts a full-throated FREEEEE MARKETS!

Let me say this one more time ...
I am NOT a Republican and I am NOT a mega-corp business man!
Please stop assuming I am.

God, people complain about Bush's "you're either with us or against us," yet they think there are only 2 sides as well.
WTF has this nation come to?
Does anyone else want to WRONGLY assume I'm a Republican-Facist and am fond of Mega-Corps?! Seriously!

You can believe in civic process and NOT agree with the results.
But to dictate and circumvent civic process is something far, far worse.
It's call "utter disregard" for the votes and viewpoints of others, both past and present.

This is civics 101 stuff guys. Roughneck, help me out man!

 

[Member2019]

You can support Freedoms ... stay on-topic ...

Guys, let's stay on topic.

You can support freedoms without diving into the economic details.
Why oh must people start lambasting me as a supporter of Republicans or Facist economic models just to disagree with me my civic disserations of the 2nd Amendment and Bill of Rights?
Seriously!

"Oh, he's wrong because he's a Republican" or "He's got his Libertarian ideals screwed-up because he's also a Capitalist."
Get over it, there are more than 2 sides to political and leadership viewpoints, don't be the "with us or against us" non-sense.
Seriously!

If you want to discuss Libertarian-Capitalism v. Libertarian-Socialism, let's do it in another thread.
The fact of the matter is that I'm big into Libertarianism and at the heart of that are the nine (9) individual freedoms in the Bill of Rights.
If you have a problem with that, then discuss it, and keep the civic realities in mind, but don't keep making it about "oh, well, I disagree with you on this."

Not only is it off-topic, but you're not even getting my views correct! :rofl:

 

[titsrock]

So, Prof, cutting to the "quick." Since you are against MegaGlobalCorps and are against Centalized Gov't that pretty much makes you a good ol Blueblood Aristocrat wannabe.

You can see though were the confusion lies? When I tune into Republican Media, I hear Free Market Capitalism. I hear low taxes. I hear minimal Central Government. But when it comes down to it, Republicans don't either believe it or don't want to stomach "bad results."

My final points, no matter what words your throw Before or After the word Libertarian, it's ultimately meaningless because a true Libertarian world has MASSIVE PRIVATIZATION of Services and then we're back to the MegaGlobalCorp world..and that means bailouts and misery...since no Gov't regulation of private businesses means collusion and "back room, smoke-filled" deals with little consumer awareness and protection..

If you are really aggreeable to just throwing in the towel on our Gov't, you could unite the Nation!!! by creating the American Socialist Party and let's just join the game the Euros are playing and be done with it.

 

[Member2019]

Again ...

Again, what does any of this have to do with the topic of the 2nd Amendment, the Bill of Rights or even Libertarianism on individual freedoms?
Seriously?!

So, Prof, cutting to the "quick." Since you are against MegaGlobalCorps and are against Centalized Gov't that pretty much makes you a good ol Blueblood Aristocrat wannabe.

However you want to label myself, so be it.
But just don't try to define my views so they fit the argument you want to have.
That seems to be a recurring theme here.

You can see though were the confusion lies? When I tune into Republican Media, I hear Free Market Capitalism.

And Libertarian-Capitalists both inside (not me) and outside (me) are screaming, Republicans are NOT Free Market.

I hear low taxes.

You cannot have reduced federal taxes without cutting federal funding.
Yes, there is a point of diminishing returns whereby cutting taxes will increase revenue.
But we're spending to the point that we're already convulsing and we're going to collapse.

I hear minimal Central Government. But when it comes down to it, Republicans don't either believe it or don't want to stomach "bad results."

The "bad results" are a result of the Republicans not creating a "minimal central government."
W. just proved that Republicans can spend a crapload more on a crapload less than Clinton.

My final points, no matter what words your throw Before or After the word Libertarian, it's ultimately meaningless because a true Libertarian world has MASSIVE PRIVATIZATION of Services and then we're back to the MegaGlobalCorp world..and that means bailouts and misery...

Stop! The mega-corps are a result of a Facist economic model, not free-market capitalism.
This is my #1 problem with Republicans!

since no Gov't regulation

BAM! You did it again. Stop assuming!
Since when do Libertarian-Capitalists say "no regulation"? Since when?!

Libertarian-Capitalists are against socialized services, not regulation.
In fact, regulating is a heck of a lot cheaper than socializing!
And regulation != alleged privatization, which is the Republican term for exclusive contracts aka monopolies.

Any time you want to join me "outside the box," please do so.
Until then, please stop telling me what my views are when you clearly do not know them!

of private businesses means collusion and "back room, smoke-filled" deals with little consumer awareness and protection..

I see UL and other, private, non-profit organizations doing a heck of a lot better regulation than the US federal government.
Don't even get me started how UL constantly has to "smack the US government" to recognize what it's doing wrong.

If you are really aggreeable to just throwing in the towel on our Gov't, you could unite the Nation!!! by creating the American Socialist Party and let's just join the game the Euros are playing and be done with it.

Never!
I believe in our civic processes, even if I don't agree with the results.
I am not about to throw away 400 years of lessons learned because people want to dictate what they think will solve the problem.

The US federal government merely reflects that fact that too many Americans don't want to be responsible for themselves.
I'm not even remotely wealthy and God knows that for a couple of recent years I didn't make much past the poverty line.
But I am not responsible for the irresponsibility of others, and I'm tired of paying for it.

So no, some Americans who cause their own grief and don't know their own actions and don't understand how their attitude has caused the problem will not get my sympathy.
In fact, most Americans are not ready for the "sacrifices" that most Europeans make to better their communities, they're still too selfish for that.
Most Europeans realize their government is not a bottomless pit of money, whereas too many Americans think we are.

I drive a cheap, 4-cylinder vehicle, live in a small house I had to fix up and don't spend much money.
I'm responsible, and I'm tired of other Americans not being responsible and asking me to pay for it.
With freedom comes responsibility, and right now, we're not doing a good job of that, hence why our freedoms are on the chopping block.

Don't blame me, I'm not the problem, but one of the most responsible folk.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

Ninety, sometimes I wonder what you're reading comprehension level is. Did you bother to read AND think or did you merely do the once-over, glance at a keyword and then... R A G E:flame: :dunno:

You were either dancing around the word RACE or taunting it based on your recent posts.

Where did the label BARRIO come from? Certainly not the McMansion Development in Starbuckia Suburb. Hint: large group of latinoes settle together. Same story for the word GHETTO. Or the "Irish Quarter" or the "Little Italy" part of some city...

When a state/city is setup to fund Public Services--Education/Law Enforcement by collecting/spending property taxes--which community will have the worldclass services and which community will have Sadr City services? When there is little regulation over sales of homes in Starbuckia, you might be able to see how some communities can close themselves off from prospective, qualified buyers who want to move up in the world, out of the Ghetto/Barrio/Little Italy and into mainstream Starbuckia.

Christ, kid...you're trippin'. I'll let all these other intillectuals answer...you're smarter than me now. When I get my B.A. and Law degree, I will come back and kick your ass in this debate....

 

[georges]

Yeah well, Americans have weird traditions and double standards that are impossible to see around for a majority of the people.

I'm sorry, but the results of this poll are absolutely pathetic. Pathetic. This poll is a fantastic reason why Americans are powerless.

It's not about guns or rights. It's about frikking stagnant, pathetic, blind, sheep-like unwillingness to change several-hundred-year old documents that are used and abused by our leaders, and yet still keep us powerless, completely powerless and silent.

"I don't think any amendments should ever be repealed."

What an easy, easy, pathetically easy way out of having to think.

Sometimes I think the majority stoop to new lows.

Have guns. Don't have guns. But use your frikking brains. Those papers are centuries old. Why do you not want to evolve? Why do you not want to make things better? Why do you not want to deliberate. To discuss.

Why are Americans so anti-democracy?

This country is probably further away from democracy than any western country I can think of.

People in this country don't know what freedom is.

God. Can someone start some polls on some forward thinking countries where people are willing to consider each others' points of view and admit that nothing is perfect and some things about themselves and their systems are deeply deeply flawed and that there are always ways that things can be made better?

This gives me a headache.

Can we have a poll option "I think none of us should ever have to think again."

But god fucking damnit, aren't you tired of bitching and moaning as well as insulting the country who has accepted and welcomed as one of their citizen????????:wtf: I am starting to have seriously enough of people who are immigrants being so ungrateful, so scornful, so direspectful and so blunt towards their welcoming countries.
Double standards? Like you are the one who has no double standards:scream: Please quit lieing. Americans powerless??? Because you think you have the power to change things???? Quit dreaming, none believes in neo communist hippie lies. American have perhaps the biggest purchasing power on the planet and also an attractive power due to their culture and their country.
The fact that you refuse to acknowledge what has been established by the founding fathers of the USA tells a lot about you. Someone who has been given a citizenship in another country, should stick by the rules and not behaving like an obnoxious pathetic hippie communist. Oh we already know that you prefer Cuba and Iran, then if you are so happy why don't you go live there????? I don't like using rethoric but very often what you say on your welcoming country is aggravating and extremely insulting, just think about it.
The majority like you say has been born in that country which is not your case and has far more better knowledge of what should be done with laws or not. It is not up to you, me or anyone else to give moral lessons when neither of us has experience when it comes to law and order. I will also make a note that since Chirac forbid and banned in 1995 the defense and concealed weapon permit in France, the number of houses being robbed rose up significantly, same comment for aggressed older people.
What is better Fox, just tell me: to be killed and robbed as a defenseless victim? or to shoot the scumbag and protect your beloved ones and your property? Safety is not an option, it is something granted by the constitution so I don't think it has to be put in cause again and again.
Your definitions of things better is being laxist and allowing everything, that is not evolution nor progress, it is just a sign of regression and being an anarchist. Everywhere you go, you will have rules, just stick by them.
Americans are far to be that anti democracy if they have accepted and welcomed you as one of their citizens. If America wasn't a democracy, you would never have received the American citizenship.
Bad attitude and rule unabiding people infuriate me seriously.

 

[thegod]

crazy american gun nuts, can't belive so many people there like guns

do all the shootings not teach you anything?

in Australia, country of 25 million, we have 1 shooting involving guns every 2-3 years, in the ENTIRE country

 

[ninetysixcavy]

crazy american gun nuts, can't belive so many people there like guns

do all the shootings not teach you anything?

in Australia, country of 25 million, we have 1 shooting involving guns every 2-3 years, in the ENTIRE country

You need to learn how to READ..:lame:

 

[georges]

I just get annoyed by any group of people, anywhere, who say "let's never change it, never discuss it, and never talk about it, it's bigger than us, and our collective opinions."

It's like, people saying, we don't want the power to change things if they need changing. I'm not saying the documents need changing, or more amendments should be made or anything. Whether or not I believe that - the fact that the vast majority of people are voting "don't ever change anything, ever, even if everyone wants it changed" show how indoctrinated we are to think that those texts - those papers - those rules - are bigger than all of us put together. It idolizes them, turns them into a religious holy untouchable doctrine.

And that is dangerous, and backwards, and an affront to positive change in the future. I really do think that's the way we in this country are programmed - they want us thinking that our system is untouchable so they can continue to exploit the flaws in the system.

It irks me. It makes me think that if democracy is ever in the hands of the American people, they will find ways to give it away.

Anyway - sorry.

Respect.

You perhaps haven't learnt what is discipline, and the word order frightens you as well. Perhaps is it due to the fact that where you lived before rules were not so demanding and stringent. I would rather live with rules than with anarchy.

 

[georges]

Prof, I don't care what happens with guns, I don't think that has anything to do with politics, and I have said so on many occasions.

Your poll is streamlined and puts words in people's mouths (like all of your polls), it is unscientific and forces your own opinions onto people by making up phrases and forcing them to choose between them.

The only thing it actually did was make the board members look absolutely staunch and immovable in general and against positive change. It is quite an embarrassment.

You'll never see past your own vast, infinite knowledge of everything, so keep talking to yourself, and saying the same things, again, and again, and again, if you enjoy it.

You, nor most of America, gives a damn what the world thinks (clearly), but I promise you it is because you have been trained to think that way by the geniuses that control every aspect of your nation, and I promise you are doing all of the exact things they want you to do, so they can use those "sacred texts" that everyone is so scared to modernize and adapt, to continue to wield absolute power. The truth is quite clear to *everyone*. We have absolutely no say, absolutely no power, and what we want is absolutely disregarded by our rulers because they were all bought by the corporations and billionaires long, long ago. Future Americans will be highly embarrassed that modern day Americans are so proud and obsessed with this, the most flawed and exploited of democratic systems.

Fox

Your way of thinking is illogic, the poll was an opened poll not something official. People have their own views on things, they prefer sure and reliable things than utopias or things that are unreal.

 

[georges]

One thing I can definitely say about Deutschland is that if you did a survey there or in any country in the world other than this rich one I live in, the poll, no matter how biased and pushy like this one Prof carefully designed, would never ever ever result in any kind of majority saying "these founding laws should never be changed no matter what" or anything of the sort. There's this word, it's called progressive. It's what got us out of slavery and gave women the chance to do what men could do, and gave people the right to vote and so on and so forth.

The reason the super-rich power brokers of America are such geniuses is because they have 50% democrats, 50% republicans, and a couple of odd ball libertarians (who ended up on Freeones, apparently), *all* frightened of ever touching the system or ever challenging the government in time of war or ever admitting "our system sucks, we're bonded into a new form of slavery and completely powerless"...

Just to be clear and take it as a reminder, I am not American but I am a right wing person and I always was. My political stance is reaganism and the reaganomics. I don't like socialism, communism and any form of leftism.

 

[Synthmesc_Droog]

You can keep your firearms, your subscription to guns n ammo and you can keep your Bill of Rights. Just don't invade my country (or any more, for that matter)

 

[FlyingWallaby]

I like how Fox loses his temper and goes off on a rant, but when he's sprung by other posters, it turns out he was "misunderstood" :rofl: