Outrage over Russian claim that Poland started war

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Another case of perception vs. reality.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Outrage_over_Russian_claim_that_Poland_started_war_999.html

 

[24788]

Why do people come up with outrageous claims?

 

[pool_hustler]

That is outrageous.

It was encouraging to note the Russians aren't pushing this revisionist version of history with any real enthusiasm.

 

[Philbert]

It's a trick as old as prostitution...tell enough lies and people
A) will eventually assume there is some truth to it
B) will spend time arguing over the truth and will eventually be led to another conclusion far from the original point, a political distraction that leads to other topics that create a justification for other actions.
Confuse the situation, and anything can happen.

 

[busenbust]

The Wiki has a lot to answer for

 

[tiger1977]

You mean to tell me that it was not the Poles who started WWII??? WOW!! This is new to me. After all, Deutschland was only trying to annex more land for their own personal growth, Poland should have understood this and allowed them to have it.

How can anyone deny these FACTS??

 

[Jagger69]

Well, if you buy into the pretzel logic that Kovalyev uses, Poland did start the war. As Johnny stated, it's a matter of perception versus reality.

"Any person who studies the history of World War II in an impartial manner knows that it started because of Poland's refusal to give into German demands," wrote Sergei Kovalyev, head of historical research for the defence ministry's northwestern branch.

OK........now it's time for your medication, Sergei.

As far as the actual events that transpired on September 1, 1939 relate, however, the Nazi justification for invasion was predicated on Polish troops (in reality, German troops disguised as Poles) attacking a German radio station in Gleiwitz:

On September 1, 1939, the German army launched a massive attack on Poland. On the night before, the German Gestapo staged the Gleiwitz incident. According to Alfred Naujocks, the Gestapo (Germany's secret police) ordered he and a small group of others to dress up as Polish soldiers and seize the Gleiwitz radio station. After seizing the station, Naujocks' group broadcast an anti-German message in Polish. The Germans would use the incident as an excuse to invade Poland. However they needed to make the attack more convincing. The Gestapo brought in Franciszek Honiok, a German who sympathized with Poland, as he had been captured the previous day. Honiok was dressed up as a saboteur, put to death using lethal injection, and given multiple bullet wounds. This would be used as evidence (given to the press and police) of the supposed Polish attack, as he would be presented as one of the dead attackers.

Source: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/World_War_II/Battle_of_Poland

Anyone who believes that Poland was the aggressor in World War II needs a serious reality check. After Germany and Russia signed the non-aggression pact, the elimination of Poland as a potential base of operations for a 2-front war against Germany became imperative. Once Poland was subjugated (don't forget that Stalin swooped in to get his fair share before the battle had ended) and there was no immediate threat from the Soviet Union, Hitler could turn his full attention to the west and get revenge for the perceived injustices of Versailles.

 

[Skyraider22]

This is never ending I see like little kids in a way Hey you started no I didn't you did

 

[Facetious]

Why do people come up with outrageous claims?

Maybe because the "leader of the free world" presented / projected a weak showing recently, if you get the drift.

Go ahead, you libs, (most, not all libs, that is) say it ! "America is not the world's policeman" !
To which I reply: It really doesn't matter where our allies (Poland being one) are located, we're not their allies if we fail to defend them, plain and simple !

The russians are looking for a reaction here, you can be sure ! If the charges go on unanswered, you can bet that there will be some military advancement in the area of the Poland / Russia border, if there hasn't already been.
IMO, the president should immediately let the world understand that he's aware of this recent development.

Today, I'd be terrified if I we're living in E. Euro, within arms reach of venezuela and or Taiwan, to name just a few.

 

[Facetious]

BTW - What happened to that radar and defensive missile sight that ''w'' was working on in Poland, did that ever get built and is it in fact in service today ?

 

[Jagger69]

Maybe because the "leader of the free world" presented / projected a weak showing recently, if you get the drift.

Go ahead, you libs, (most, not all libs, that is) say it ! "America is not the world's policeman" !
To which I reply: It really doesn't matter where our allies (Poland being one) are located, we're not their allies if we fail to defend them, plain and simple !

LOL....F, you never cease to amaze me. Your attempt at emulating a "lib" response is "America is not the world's policeman"?? That's like a "lib" saying a typical right-wing response would be "Nuke Moscow".....extreme at best.

The russians are looking for a reaction here, you can be sure ! If the charges go on unanswered, you can bet that there will be some military advancement in the area of the Poland / Russia border, if there hasn't already been.
IMO, the president should immediately let the world understand that he's aware of this recent development.

Today, I'd be terrified if I we're living in E. Euro, within arms reach of venezuela and or Taiwan, to name just a few.

The "Russians" are looking for a reaction? If so, why is the maker of the statement some small-time bureaucrat (the "head of historical research for the defence ministry's northwestern branch"). Ooooohhh....some librarian in Russia makes a dumb argument justifying Germany's action against Poland in WW II and all of a sudden it's panic time? That's a reach if there ever was one. Also, I don't understand you would be "terrified" if you were in E. Europe "within arms reach of Venezuela and Taiwan". Tell me how and why the folks in Belgrade should be quaking in their boots over what is going on in Caracas or Taipei???

The fact is, if Russia was brazen enough to invade Poland, we'd be obligated to respond with military force as outlined by the tenets of NATO:

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/SID-C1AB4FED-5E449748/natolive/what_is_nato.htm

The Russians are totally aware of this and such a provocation would likely trigger another world war. I don't think things tensions have reached that level quite yet, do you?

BTW - What happened to that radar and defensive missile sight that ''w'' was working on in Poland, did that ever get built and is it in fact in service today ?

It is, and always was, part of a game of international chess being played in order to gain some concessions from Russia to tone down the saber-rattling (on the heels of the Georgian incursion if you recall) and help us solve some mutually-troubling issues. Here's the latest....a deal offered up to address exactly those issues.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/washington/03prexy.html?_r=1

The lack of any subsequent news on the matter leads me to believe that discussions are ongoing although there is really no way to know for certain.