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President Obama - Profiles in Leadership

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Good grief, dysfunctional two party system after bull shit lets work together.

Immigration dispute erupts at White House lunch


Dispute over immigration erupts during White House lunch designed to search for compromise
Associated Press By Nedra Pickler and Erica Werner, Associated Press
3 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A White House lunch aiming for cooperation boiled into a fresh dispute with newly empowered Republicans over immigration reform Friday, with GOP leaders warning President Barack Obama to his face not to take unilateral action. The president stood unflinchingly by his plan to act.

Republicans attending the postelection lunch at Obama's invitation said they asked him for more time to work on legislation, but the president said his patience was running out. He underscored his intent to act on his own by the end of the year if they don't approve legislation to ease deportations before then and send it to him to sign.

The Republicans' approach, three days after they resoundingly won control of the Senate in midterm elections, "seemed to fall on deaf ears," Sen. John Cornyn of Texas said in a telephone interview. "The president instead of being contrite or saying in effect to America, 'I hear you,' as a result of the referendum on his policies that drove this last election, he seems unmoved and even defiant."

"I don't know why he would want to sabotage his last two years as president by doing something this provocative," said Cornyn. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell earlier this week said the president's stance was "like waving a red flag in front of a bull."

Obama press secretary Josh Earnest said there was no reason that executive action on immigration should kill opportunities for the president and Republicans to find common ground.

"I could stand up here and say Republicans to vote once again for the 50th time to repeal the Affordable Care Act, that that's playing with fire or waving a red flag in front of a bull. I'm not really sure what that means," Earnest said.

The White House said lawmakers went home from the meeting with a parting gift — a six-pack of beer brewed at the White House. The White House also said Obama laid out three areas where he and Congress could work together before the end of the year — emergency funding to combat the Ebola outbreak, approval of a federal budget and quick action on spending to fight the Islamic State militant group.

House Speaker John Boehner's office said he told Obama he was ready to work with the president on a new authorization for military force against the IS group if the president worked to build bipartisan support. The White House announced soon after lunch ended that the U.S. was sending as many as 1,500 more troops to Iraq to serve as advisers, trainers and security personnel as part of the mission. Obama is also asking Congress for more than $5 billion to help fund the fight.

Friday's two-hour meeting was tense at times, according to a senior House Republican aide. Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, about to lose his grip on the upper chamber, barely said a word, the aide said. The aide said at one point as House Speaker John Boehner was making an argument on immigration, Obama responded that his patience was running out and Vice President Joe Biden interrupted to ask how long Republicans needed. Obama angrily cut Biden off, the aide said.

The aide was not authorized to describe the back-and-forth publicly by name and spoke only on condition of anonymity.

Publicly Obama's tone was more upbeat as he opened the gathering. He pledged to work on ending long-running partisan gridlock and to be open to Republican ideas. The president said the lunch was a chance to "explore where we can make progress" after Americans showed in the midterm elections that they wanted to see more accomplished in Washington.

"They'd like to see more cooperation," Obama said, sitting at the middle of 13 lawmakers in the Old Family Dining Room set with the Truman china. "And I think all of us have the responsibility, me in particular, to try to make that happen."

Reporters were ushered out before any lawmaker spoke or the lunch of sea bass was served. Republican descriptions of the meeting were provided after they returned to Capitol Hill.

For the record, Boehner's office said he suggested that the president should back a Republican jobs bill as a starting place for bipartisan action.

Obama said at the start he was interested in "hearing and sharing ideas" for compromise on measures to boost the economy, then mentioned his personal priorities of college affordability and investment in road and building projects. He also touted improved monthly job growth numbers out Friday as evidence his economic policies are working, saying, "We're doing something right here."

Briefings on Ebola and the Islamic State from Pentagon officials dominated much of the meeting, and the immigration debate was said to have lasted about half an hour. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., said Republicans told Obama that any executive order, particularly on immigration but any issue, would be a "toxic decision."

"He still hasn't come to grips with the reality of the election and the consequences of the election," Barrasso said. "His tone and tenor didn't seem to reflect that of somebody whose policies were just significantly rejected all across the country just three days ago."

Joke politics.

Done posting on here with the two party system in America

Have fun with Ace Boobtoucher all about race rhetoric masking his redneck feelings on America also. With socialism hate trying to be witty ass hat Mod Georges who lives in France. Post away Georges as I notice your bitch ass post when I'm gone 2-3 days here loser.

BobJustBob, reason we need a third party to end this bull shit for the commonwealth of all Americans.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Many people here say there isn't much difference between the two parties. Maybe they just do enough to get their Liberal/Conservative street cred then join hands on everything else. Is that more your thinking? Might not be far off.
They both offer bigger government, deficit spending, eroding constitutional rights, burdgeoning the industrial military complex, corporatism, and so on. To the Democrats' credit, at least their platform is honest about big government. But that's about the extent of that.

Either way, these assholes play us for fools dividing us at every turn and still get away with it. Why do we dig in and argue with each other the way we do? If you were in this country maybe you grab a pitchfork and I grab a torch then we both head to Washington.
Rebellion - with pitchforks or assault rifles - in a representative democracy represents utter failure by the electorate. As Johan touched on, this is one of my biggest issues with pro-gun culture people talking about overthrowing tyranny; if we, having had the power to change course in every election, get to the point where we've got tyranny to overthrow, we've already lost - and in fact, we voted for it. Guns aren't stopping shit (to say nothing else about debating guns at the moment).

Who do I blame for it ? The system, the way politics works in the country : As I said before, most politicians value their donors much more than their voters, if passing a bill that would profit their donors to the expense of the people could get the some fundings for their campaigns, they will pass that bill without any hesitation.
The system is fine. It's the participants that fail. It's squarely at our feet. Politicians favor big donors because most people are so *&^%%$£ lazy that they vote for who they see most often on TV - which translates to who spends the most money. That is, if they're not voting for a party like they cheer for their favorite football team, which I reckon accounts for most of the parties' bases. If all that political advertising didn't work - i.e., if even if half (or hell, a third, even a quarter - even a fifth!) of voters exercised a modicum of critical thinking and memories longer than a goldfish's, politicians would straighten up right quick.

They are supposed to be our servants and accountable for their service to us.
And they would be, if we fulfilled our responsibilities as voters.

It's not exactly a tyranny, more like an oligarchy. But in the end it's the same : the people gets fucked over and over again.
You got it: The US is an oligarchy, study concludes: Report by researchers from Princeton and Northwestern universities suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters

If we want change for the better, we have to vote for it. We also have to do more than that - I vote for change every election, but this is pissing in the wind against tens of millions acting like political sheep. I have to convince those people to stop acting like sheep.
 

mongo18

A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke.
"His tone and tenor didn't seem to reflect that of somebody whose policies were just significantly rejected all across the country just three days ago."

This is a good example of the hypocrisy and double standards Obama has been dealing with since day 1. 2 years ago, the treason party's policies were significantly rejected when Obama beat Romney by a huge margin. The same 4 years before that. Where was all the talk about how McConnell and Boehner should have been beaten into submission after those elections? Same with the Romney/Ryan "they just need to get out of the way" bullshit. When the election went in the opposite direction, I don't recall the party of no accepting defeat and stepping aside.
 

Lee Van Queef

Maybe I Should Get A Little High First
Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber bragging about deceiving the American people, who he thinks are stupid.

 

sean miguel

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber bragging about deceiving the American people, who he thinks are stupid.


"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but basically, that was really critical to getting the thing to pass."

Yeah, that's going to be in some political ads in 2016. Us rubes are too stupid to know whats best for us; that's what liberals are for.


"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan."

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

Barack Obama knew those claims were bullshit when he uttered them which makes him a liar, among other things.
 

bobjustbob

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This is a good example of the hypocrisy and double standards Obama has been dealing with since day 1. 2 years ago, the treason party's policies were significantly rejected when Obama beat Romney by a huge margin. The same 4 years before that. Where was all the talk about how McConnell and Boehner should have been beaten into submission after those elections? Same with the Romney/Ryan "they just need to get out of the way" bullshit. When the election went in the opposite direction, I don't recall the party of no accepting defeat and stepping aside.

If that's the case then Obama should whip out his veto pen for everything passing through both houses for the next 2 years, right?
 

Lee Van Queef

Maybe I Should Get A Little High First
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...are-architect-calling-american-people-stupid/

Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’
Published November 12, 2014
FoxNews.com


ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber apparently doesn't think much of the intelligence of the American people.

A new tape has surfaced showing Gruber, once again, claiming the health care law's authors took advantage of the "stupid" American public.

The tape, played on Fox News' "The Kelly File," showed Gruber speaking at an October 2013 event at Washington University in St. Louis.

Referring to the so-called "Cadillac tax" on high-end health plans, he said: "They proposed it and that passed, because the American people are too stupid to understand the difference."

Gruber specifically was referring to the way the "Cadillac tax" was designed -- he touted their plan to, instead of taxing policy holders, tax the insurance companies that offered them. He suggested that taxing individuals would have been politically unpalatable, but taxing the companies worked because Americans didn't understand the difference.

This is similar to remarks he made at a separate event around the same time in 2013. In a clip of that event, Gruber said the "lack of transparency" in the way the law was crafted was critical. "Basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass," he said.

After the first tape surfaced -- prompting Republican outrage -- Gruber went on MSNBC to express regret. On Tuesday, he said: "I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke inappropriately, and I regret having made those comments."

But after Fox News played the second tape, GOP lawmakers said it proves what they've been saying all along.

"It confirms people's greatest fear about the government," Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., told Fox News on Wednesday. "Remember, it was Nancy Pelosi who said first you have to pass it before you get to find out what's in it.

"We knew it was written in a way that it was really deliberately written to deceive the American people, and now people are paying the price."

As Congress returns for a lame-duck session, on the heels of midterm elections where Republicans won control of the Senate, GOP leaders say they will try once again next year to repeal the law -- or least change its most controversial provisions.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., blasted Gruber on Tuesday.

"I can't even get past the irony of that to even get to the arrogance of him calling our fellow citizens stupid," he told Fox News, referring to the administration's past transparency pledges.
 

georges

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Have fun with Ace Boobtoucher all about race rhetoric masking his redneck feelings on America also. With socialism hate trying to be witty ass hat Mod Georges who lives in France. Post away Georges as I notice your bitch ass post when I'm gone 2-3 days here loser.
Yes and what's your point? To prove that you are some miserable weak minded and pathetic individual that prefer leech of money from honest hardworking citizens? Whether I live in France or not, that doesn't make a difference. If you think socialist, then you are completely opposed to American values and constitution, China or North Korea should be for you. The one who is a clueless crying and non stop whining idiot is you. Someone dares to tackle or criticize you dear o crowd leader then he gets labelled as a racist. We have seen that in the past and this is not going to change.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
REALLY?!?? That cunt is just plain awful. The things she says make Sarah Palin seem like fucking Einstein in comparison. "We have to pass this in order to find out what's in it."

“The Bible tells us in the Old Testament, ‘To minister to the needs of God’s creation is an act of worship. To ignore those needs is to dishonor the God who made us.’ On this Earth Day, and every day, let us pledge to our children, and our children’s children, that they will have clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, and the opportunity to experience the wonders of nature.” Very nice. Except that's nowhere to be found in the bible.

“Every week we don’t pass a Stimulus package, 500 million Americans lose their jobs.” Pelosi Galore said this TWICE.

“Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program”

“I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels.” Just let that sink in a little.

 

mikexmoran

Will strip for money!
Hey I actually admire Nancy Pelosi...@ least she's got more sense then Sarah Palin

Deep...no, no, no, no, no!

First, don't set the bar so low for yourself, man. I'm assuming that you want to pick someone from the liberal spectrum of folks to admire based on your admiration of Pelosi. Pick someone else. There are many good choices out there.

No argument on Sarah. However, when comparing, understand what Palin is and has done. She had a position of responsibility and authority as governor and she ran away from it. Maybe not so dumb if she really understood her abilities and didn't think she was up to it. Also, since then she really hasn't done much other than make money. Is that dumb? Does this show more or less sense than Nancy?
 

Lee Van Queef

Maybe I Should Get A Little High First
Just proves Nancy Pelosi is an idiot when you have to descend so low to use Sarah Palin as a comparison.

Do the Pelosi-philes in here really don't mind her constant lying?


 

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Bet you W pissed off Fox News during this interview. Good man even though he disagrees with Obama.

GEORGE W. BUSH: This Is Why I Refuse To Criticize Obama

Business Insider By Colin Campbell

Former President George W. Bush has a simple explanation for why he almost never criticizes his successor: He feels it undermines the office of the presidency.

In an interview that aired Thursday night on Fox News' "Hannity," Bush insisted he would not attack President Barack Obama even though he continued to have strong opinions about national politics.

"I don't think it's good for the country to have a former president undermine a current president; I think it's bad for the presidency for that matter," Bush said, according to video posted by Mediaite.

Bush, who is promoting his book about his father (former President George H.W. Bush), "41: A Portrait of My Father," also said he had no interest in generating headlines for himself after serving in the country's highest office for eight years.

"Secondly, I really have had all the fame I want," he added. "I really don't long for publicity. And the truth the matter is in order for me to generate publicity ... I'd have to either attack the Republican Party, which I don't want to do, or attack the president, which I don't want to do. And so I'm perfectly content to be out of the limelight."

Though Bush has avoided criticizing the Obama administration, the same can't be said for his former vice president, Dick Cheney, who has repeatedly skewered Obama. Among other things, Cheney called Obama the "worst president of my lifetime."

 

Lee Van Queef

Maybe I Should Get A Little High First
Bet you W pissed off Fox News during this interview.

Agreed. Sean Hannity looks at W like he wants to suck his cock but also thinking if he tickles his balls just right he'll really spill his guts. The others on MSNBC have their master who they pick cotton for also making sure his shoes are perfectly shined. Who do you trust? I guess read/watch them all and average out the bullshit.
 

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Agreed. Sean Hannity looks at W like he wants to suck his cock but also thinking if he tickles his balls just right he'll really spill his guts. The others on MSNBC have their master who they pick cotton for also making sure his shoes are perfectly shined. Who do you trust? I guess read/watch them all and average out the bullshit.

MSNBC and FOX News forgot about the number one rule of journalism is to be non-objective.

This is how two ex Presidents should act working together from different parties:

 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
A 3-way "dumb-off" debate between Pelosi, Palin and Michelle Bachmann would be must-see TV. Pay-per-view worthy in fact. :thumbsup:
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Agreed. Sean Hannity looks at W like he wants to suck his cock but also thinking if he tickles his balls just right he'll really spill his guts. The others on MSNBC have their master who they pick cotton for also making sure his shoes are perfectly shined. Who do you trust? I guess read/watch them all and average out the bullshit.

I had to re-read this just to make sure it was fair and balanced. It is.
 
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