Religion

[tunsty]

Since when is religion not allowed as a discussion topic?

Wrong time of year..
Wind blowing from the wrong direction...
Someone's pet goldfish died..
Bad hair day...

or it could just be something silly:dunno:





BTW: here is another 'religious' thread that wasn't closed...
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=57071&highlight=jesus

Your guess is a good as mine..:dunno:

 

[DrMotorcity]

First we have this by poggy1:

And as I said above it doesn't need to be put in the board rules.It should be common sense not to start thread or go on to the topic of religion.After all there are many religions on here and some maybe offended by what is put.
So I still agree with closing threads on religion and think it needs to be put in the rules.How big do you want the rules to be,if there to big no ones going to read them.Then you get more problems than your getting now.

Then we have this:

Like I've said how long do you want the board rules to be.If every single thing was put into the board rules that wasn't allowed,like I said no one would read them.You have to rely on the mods to enforce some of the smaller rules and explain them at the time.If you you want this put into the board rules it becomes a case of what you going to leave out of the allowed and not allowed section.

Imagine your just joining the board and the first thing you see is this massive board rules statement come up.Now you have 2 choices here sit and read this for 20 minutes or so,wading through the legal stuff that bores most people.Or just click 'I understand the board rules' and carry on.I'd say 80 to 90 percent would just click and come onto the board and start making a lot of mistakes.This would put a lot of work onto the mods and would also lower the standard of the great board we have here.As they'ed not have much chance to maintain the board and also post some great posts themselves.

This "common sense" that poggy1 extols so ardently would seem to logically dictate that if there is this "massive board rules statement" that a person would see when joining the board, the choice would be that whether it be "20 minutes" or two-thousand minutes required to read these necessary rules, this time nevertheless should be expended to read these rules, regardless of the time required to do so--unless he is of course speaking from his experience from having been at one time among the "80 to 90 percent."


"Common sense," he speaks of. I'd swear on a stack of bibles that he submitted these posts to this thread simply to infuriate and to create some discord, not out of any deferrence to respect the devotional sentiments of those who may be viewing this.

By the way, poggy1, Common Sense was also the name of a 50-page pamphlet, published on January 10, 1776 by Thomas Paine, a prominent figure in the American revolution to attain independance from England. Incidently, in his time, old Tom was known to be quite the aethist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

 

[spiceworld]

This thread was created yesterday... its been open over a full day now, and not a single mod have said something about this, that tells you a lot about how things are going here...:2 cents:

 

[DrMotorcity]

This thread was created yesterday... its been open over a full day now, and not a single mod have said something about this, that tells you a lot about how things are going here...:2 cents:

Exactly! And their silence and their abstention from intervening with the evolution of this thread is a de facto assertion that religion (goor or bad, like it or not) is an acceptable topic for discussion within the realm of Freeones.

 

[member20672]

Like I've said how long do you want the board rules to be.If every single thing was put into the board rules that wasn't allowed,like I said no one would read them.You have to rely on the mods to enforce some of the smaller rules and explain them at the time.If you you want this put into the board rules it becomes a case of what you going to leave out of the allowed and not allowed section.

Imagine your just joining the board and the first thing you see is this massive board rules statement come up.Now you have 2 choices here sit and read this for 20 minutes or so,wading through the legal stuff that bores most people.Or just click 'I understand the board rules' and carry on.I'd say 80 to 90 percent would just click and come onto the board and start making a lot of mistakes.This would put a lot of work onto the mods and would also lower the standard of the great board we have here.As they'ed not have much chance to maintain the board and also post some great posts themselves.

Poggy. Clarification man. That's all I want. We get yor dislike for Religion. And Frankly, if the board rules were still seven pages long, I'd read through. And to be honest, I was here a while before I fully read them. Which, I am sure, that no real new member reads through them until someone tells them to, or tells them they have vioated one.

If you have no general interest in the overall goal of what I am trying to achieve here, then please, there is no need to remake your point over and over. As I said, your dislike for religion on the board is obvious, now let sleeping dogs lie, and let those of us with a general interest receive our answer. If and when it comes.

And please don't tell me about lengthy board rules, as I believe it was you, who wanted newer members to have to take a test to be allowed into the board. Something that would be more "lengthy" and useless, than reading through the rules.

 

[Rastagir]

I agree with AmericanHarley on this one. Since the rules alow religion discussions, we should have no problem having one. The trouble is that this kind of thread can (and most definitely will) lead to flaming each other. I do trust the ones I know and have debated in the past....but not for the Average Joe who will see this as an opportunity to mock something that for someone else can be a very touchy subject.

 

[RogueWolf]

Isn't there an old saying...something like...'Never discuss religion or politics'

Personally, it wouldn't bother me all that much if there never were another religion or political thread. Not that I'm opposed to such things. In fact, it's exactly the opposite.

I am EXTREMELY passionate about and set in my ways when it comes to my religious and political beliefs. I often take great issue with alot of what I see on the board...such as all the cheap and inane 'Bush-bashing'. I try my best not to get involved because I know it would just turn into an endless cycle of stating and defending my beliefs/opinions. So...it's easier sometimes just to stay out of the discussion.

I come to Freeones to relax, unwind, chill out, check out some babes and have a laugh.

I agree with what you're saying AH. And I don't see why any topics other than the ones already in the board rules need to be 'out of bounds'. But...whether religion and/or political threads continue or they don't...most likely you won't see much of me in them.

Unless of course I see something and just can't help myself...:1orglaugh

 

[member20672]

BTW ^ Strike my last paragraph. It's intent, is to angerous and useless.

I understand that not every issue needs to be in the rules, but religion is by far bigger than the 5 that are mentioned. Personally, I could think of a dozen simple headlines that would make for vary basic and simple topics.

I understand your worry over argumentative and flaming debates over religion poggy, but as I've said, and as we've seen, arguments can be from something very simple and off the wall. There is no guarantee that a thread won't have an argument, but I understand how one would expect it more from a thread with religion. But still, something as simple as a church group running a blood drive to help tsunami victims would be a "violation" of this.

I'll say again, I don't wish to start a religious thread nor get into a religous argument. I simply want to know whether or not it is allowed by the FreeOnes mods/staff and admin for members to talk religion, no matter how big or small the issue is. :hatsoff:

 

[DrMotorcity]

Isn't there an old saying...something like...'Never discuss religion or politics'

According to Linus Van Pelt, the old maxim goes as follows: "There are three things you should never discuss in public: religion; politics; and the Great Pumpkin.

 

[member20672]

Isn't there an old saying...something like...'Never discuss religion or politics'

Personally, it wouldn't bother me all that much if there never were another religion or political thread. Not that I'm opposed to such things. In fact, it's exactly the opposite.

I am EXTREMELY passionate about and set in my ways when it comes to my religious and political beliefs. I often take great issue with alot of what I see on the board...such as all the cheap and inane 'Bush-bashing'. I try my best not to get involved because I know it would just turn into an endless cycle of stating and defending my beliefs/opinions. So...it's easier sometimes just to stay out of the discussion.

I come to Freeones to relax, unwind, chill out, check out some babes and have a laugh.

I agree with what you're saying AH. And I don't see why any topics other than the ones already in the board rules need to be 'out of bounds'. But...whether religion and/or political threads continue or they don't...most likely you won't see much of me in them.

Unless of course I see something and just can't help myself...:1orglaugh

True Wolf. And very understandable. I myself, hate the Bush Bashing and political threads, but I can understand how those feel the need to debate over politics.

And my overall goal, is not to see whether or not I can get into a three page long argument about Catholics, but whether or not every simple issue about religion(blood drives, new pope, new minister's, etc.) can be allowed.

As I've said, the mods' statement was very broad and general. And I can understand if it came about from the topic of middle Eastern religion. But a little clarity would be nice over what is and isn't allowed over religious matters.

 

[member20672]

I agree with AmericanHarley on this one. Since the rules alow religion discussions, we should have no problem having one. The trouble is that this kind of thread can (and most definitely will) lead to flaming each other. I do trust the ones I know and have debated in the past....but not for the Average Joe who will see this as an opportunity to mock something that for someone else can be a very touchy subject.

Very true, and I understand how a religious thread would lead to an easy argument. But not all would. Some here are capable of having calm and non-flaming debates, and some aren't. But its the same way in every topic.

I don't want to see a dozen religious threads, but I would like to know whether or not they can be allowed.

 

[spiceworld]

Still nothing from the mods... makes you wonder if they really care...

 

[poggy]

First we have this by poggy1:


Then we have this:


This "common sense" that poggy1 extols so ardently would seem to logically dictate that if there is this "massive board rules statement" that a person would see when joining the board, the choice would be that whether it be "20 minutes" or two-thousand minutes required to read these necessary rules, this time nevertheless should be expended to read these rules, regardless of the time required to do so--unless he is of course speaking from his experience from having been at one time among the "80 to 90 percent."

First off you say people will read a load of legal stuff to join a message board.No one will read a load of boring legal stuff to join a message board,for more than 10 mintues by then there going to do one of two things.
1.Join the board and post how ever he/she likes and not only make a lot of mistakes.But will also get other members mad and some will neg rep him for it.
2.Just not bother to join the board making it another member loss.I know I don't want this do you ?

Yes I read the rules and made a few minor mistakes when I was a 'Newbie' like we all do.But none of which was in the rules,but the mods explained what I'd done wrong and I learnt that way.

"Common sense," he speaks of. I'd swear on a stack of bibles that he submitted these posts to this thread simply to infuriate and to create some discord, not out of any deferrence to respect the devotional sentiments of those who may be viewing this.

I did not post this to infuriate and create some discord.
This what you have just done to make me respond as I can see this was your intention.

I thought we was all adults on this board and had some 'common sense'.So didn't need a massive list of rules and regulations to read through on joining the board.Just a guideline and any other little side rules or regulation as I said could be sorted out by the mods.

But maybe I'm wrong and we need a massive manual for us to 'quote' from when a mod does something we don't like.Saying it says here I can do this or it doesn't say here that is against the rules.

By the way, poggy1, Common Sense was also the name of a 50-page pamphlet, published on January 10, 1776 by Thomas Paine, a prominent figure in the American revolution to attain independance from England. Incidently, in his time, old Tom was known to be quite the aethist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

First I believe in no god and have no religion.But know many people do and respect them for it.But there is many different religions in the world and they tend to conflict at times.This board is open to the world,so I still say a thread on religion or that turns to religion is bad for the board.This is how it would go "one makes a statement,another then argues against that statement" so how long till they start flaming each other ?
Then you'd get other members joining in.Also other putting in there 2cents as they don't agree with any of them.That is a thread out of control and a lot of work for the mods.As they have to decide what to do with the thread,then what to do with the members who posted in it.As I said before if these threads kept coming up it would create a lot of work for the mods and the board would suffer due to this.Also they'ed have no time to some great posts themselves too.

Your the second person this week trying to tell me I'm wrong because a American says so.

First I have nothing against America or any other country in the world.I'm sure it's a great place to live.I also understand people loving there country and liking to defend it.So as I said to the other member this is aimed at you and no one else.Just because a American says something doesn't make it law.Common Sense is a big phrase and can but interpreted in many ways.The way I meant as you seem to have missed it is this-
We as adults don't need to be told every single thing.As experence should tell us what would be good and what would be bad.

So we don't need a massive essay for board rules but use common sence instead.:2 cents:

 

[member20672]

Still nothing from the mods... makes you wonder if they really care...

Well, a bit of ackowledgement would be nice. But for now, one can only figure: they're ignoring it, or waiting for a reply from the head honcho's.

And poggy, common sense of board etiquette may be true. But a small acknowledgement from some one in a position of "power" on this board, is much needed.

{edit} this thread has taken a terrible turn for the worse. All I wanted to know was whether or not the mods and admins find it acceptable for the members to discuss religion. Thats all. Common sense can tell you a lot, but at the same token, it isn't your common sense that runs the board. It is someone's elses.

 

[jdb67]

{edit} this thread has taken a terrible turn for the worse. All I wanted to know was whether or not the mods and admins find it acceptable for the members to discuss religion. Thats all. Common sense can tell you a lot, but at the same token, it isn't your common sense that runs the board. It is someone's elses.[/

What you really want is for the Mods to justify the decision to close those threads....

It is pretty evident that religion is ok to discuss within reason.... The problem here is that the individual who started those threads did so to Preach!!! With what is going on in the world, it was only logical to close them!!!

If one wants to discuss religion at the level that was intended by the Tread starter, then there are plenty of sites out there that cater for this type of discussion.....

Effectively, with Freeones.com primarily centered around Porn, the threads closed were nothing more then Spam.:2 cents:

 

[spiceworld]

What you really want is for the Mods to justify the decision to close those threads....

It is pretty evident that religion is ok to discuss within reason.... The problem here is that the individual who started those threads did so to Preach!!! With what is going on in the world, it was only logical to close them!!!

If one wants to discuss religion at the level that was intended by the Tread starter, then there are plenty of sites out there that cater for this type of discussion.....

Effectively, with Freeones.com primarily centered around Porn, the threads closed were nothing more then Spam.:2 cents:

My thoughts exactly ! :thumbsup:

 

[member20672]

What you really want is for the Mods to justify the decision to close those threads....

It is pretty evident that religion is ok to discuss within reason.... The problem here is that the individual who started those threads did so to Preach!!! With what is going on in the world, it was only logical to close them!!!

I fully understand the reasoning for closing those threads. But the broad disallowance made me think. I also understand that the statements were most likely,initially meant to the topic of the threads. In any case, one would figure that, as you've stated, that religion is ok to discuss. But if it is that simple, why has this thread recieved no attention from some one in a position of "power?" I'd expect that something like religion, would have a simple yes or no answer reply, that would of answered this thread, right after I started it. But signs, and lack of response have indicated otherwise.

 

[DrMotorcity]

First off you say people will read a load of legal stuff to join a message board.No one will read a load of boring legal stuff to join a message board,for more than 10 mintues by then there going to do one of two things.
1.Join the board and post how ever he/she likes and not only make a lot of mistakes.But will also get other members mad and some will neg rep him for it.
2.Just not bother to join the board making it another member loss.I know I don't want this do you ?

Yes I read the rules and made a few minor mistakes when I was a 'Newbie' like we all do.But none of which was in the rules,but the mods explained what I'd done wrong and I learnt that way.



I did not post this to infuriate and create some discord.
This what you have just done to make me respond as I can see this was your intention.

I thought we was all adults on this board and had some 'common sense'.So didn't need a massive list of rules and regulations to read through on joining the board.Just a guideline and any other little side rules or regulation as I said could be sorted out by the mods.

But maybe I'm wrong and we need a massive manual for us to 'quote' from when a mod does something we don't like.Saying it says here I can do this or it doesn't say here that is against the rules.




First I believe in no god and have no religion.But know many people do and respect them for it.But there is many different religions in the world and they tend to conflict at times.This board is open to the world,so I still say a thread on religion or that turns to religion is bad for the board.This is how it would go "one makes a statement,another then argues against that statement" so how long till they start flaming each other ?
Then you'd get other members joining in.Also other putting in there 2cents as they don't agree with any of them.That is a thread out of control and a lot of work for the mods.As they have to decide what to do with the thread,then what to do with the members who posted in it.As I said before if these threads kept coming up it would create a lot of work for the mods and the board would suffer due to this.Also they'ed have no time to some great posts themselves too.

Your the second person this week trying to tell me I'm wrong because a American says so.

First I have nothing against America or any other country in the world.I'm sure it's a great place to live.I also understand people loving there country and liking to defend it.So as I said to the other member this is aimed at you and no one else.Just because a American says something doesn't make it law.Common Sense is a big phrase and can but interpreted in many ways.The way I meant as you seem to have missed it is this-
We as adults don't need to be told every single thing.As experence should tell us what would be good and what would be bad.

So we don't need a massive essay for board rules but use common sence instead.:2 cents:

Oh, poggy1, oh,you kid, you! Totally missed the irony of my statement that said: I'd swear on a stack of bibles... :1orglaugh Of course you did!

Most importantly, this thread that had been initiated by AmericanHarley was not about taking a survey of the membership's views regarding the topic of "religion," but of whether we are uninhibitedly allowed to express our views regarding such matters!(as per the graces of Freeones) Between you and me, if there really is a "god," well, boy, does he have a lot to answer for! The poingant question presented by AmericanHarley was that are we or are we not permitted to discuss this subject-topic in this message board!

Golly, I kind of feel crucified by your allegations; then again, roll away the stone and place your hand in the wound...

 

[DrMotorcity]

What you really want is for the Mods to justify the decision to close those threads....

It is pretty evident that religion is ok to discuss within reason.... The problem here is that the individual who started those threads did so to Preach!!! With what is going on in the world, it was only logical to close them!!!

If one wants to discuss religion at the level that was intended by the Tread starter, then there are plenty of sites out there that cater for this type of discussion.....

Effectively, with Freeones.com primarily centered around Porn, the threads closed were nothing more then Spam.:2 cents:

Now I see it: if it doesn't concern porn, then let's take the easy route and close the thread.

Anyone's reply to this allegation...

 

[poggy]

Most importantly, this thread that had been initiated by AmericanHarley was not about taking a survey of the membership's views regarding the topic of "religion," but of whether we are uninhibitedly allowed to express our views regarding such matters!(as per the graces of Freeones)

You didn't follow the whole thread then did you.It changed and got a side subject as well.With that all my posts covered both parts of the discussion.

I am making this my final post as I've said all I need too on the subject.