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Scottish Independence: Yes or No?
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Mr_Stiffy you should have sold the Irn-Bru shares years back - all my moneys going into Buckie shares!
Chopper3000
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Stephen1956
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To quote William Wallace, from the movie "Brave heart", Freedom!
Chopper3000
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"Good fucking riddance" is my quote.
DP_LOVER
I smell PUSSY!
As a yes supporter i am disappointed with the outcome last night, there was such a wave of positivity leading up to the vote, people really believed that it was their time and that a real change was about to occur in stale UK politics. But ultimately the majority have decided that they would rather stay together and I respect their decision to do so.
Both arguments were full of lies, spin and risk. We now have a set of 'promises' from the UK government to devolve more powers to Scotland in the wake of the referendum, i just hope they are true to their word/
Above all i am proud that so many people believed passionately enough, one way or another, to educate themselves, campaign and above all vote in what has been one of the most important days in Scottish history. I just hope that the divisions that this created in the lead up to the vote are not permanent ones and the rifts can be repaired and Scotland can move forward together and that this shows people that if you want it enough change can happen
Both arguments were full of lies, spin and risk. We now have a set of 'promises' from the UK government to devolve more powers to Scotland in the wake of the referendum, i just hope they are true to their word/
Above all i am proud that so many people believed passionately enough, one way or another, to educate themselves, campaign and above all vote in what has been one of the most important days in Scottish history. I just hope that the divisions that this created in the lead up to the vote are not permanent ones and the rifts can be repaired and Scotland can move forward together and that this shows people that if you want it enough change can happen
Bluejaye
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Whoops, did we forget to mention the lengthy committee that's being setup and next years General Election. Oops, sorry, the new guys in number 10 aren't bound by that agreement.
Streams of Conservative politicians running across our screens today making the same speeches about listening to all voters, ignoring the numerous pledges made without any mention of anyone else.
Any of this sound familiar?
DP_LOVER
I smell PUSSY!
^worryingly familiar, this is where the vote was won in my opinion. The last minute intervention and 'vows' made by Westminster tipped the scales in their favour. There was around 800,000 - 1,000,000 undecided voters leading up to the vote, and i think that this would have swayed large numbers of them to vote no thinking that they were getting the devo max option that was denied by Cameron at the start of the whole process.
The trouble is, like you say, that there is no written agreement, no timescale and more importantly no real definitive plan as to what powers will be granted to Hollyrood. Watching the coverage last night and when pushed a Labour MP could only say that "some stuff" will be granted to Scotland.
I wasnt bought by this last minute intervention which smelled of panic and desperation from the rUK after the yes campaign took the lead in one of the polls. They never thought it would be this close and had to act fast and i think this is where they won the day. Their whole campaign from day 1 has been a shambles, from a overly negative "you cant do this" stance, to the most patronising advert i have ever seen, to last minute desperate pleas but they did enough and we have to now accept it and move on.
I just hope that the 45% who voted yes will not just sit idly by if these plans do not come into fruition.
Oh, and Larss, dont talk shit.
The trouble is, like you say, that there is no written agreement, no timescale and more importantly no real definitive plan as to what powers will be granted to Hollyrood. Watching the coverage last night and when pushed a Labour MP could only say that "some stuff" will be granted to Scotland.
I wasnt bought by this last minute intervention which smelled of panic and desperation from the rUK after the yes campaign took the lead in one of the polls. They never thought it would be this close and had to act fast and i think this is where they won the day. Their whole campaign from day 1 has been a shambles, from a overly negative "you cant do this" stance, to the most patronising advert i have ever seen, to last minute desperate pleas but they did enough and we have to now accept it and move on.
I just hope that the 45% who voted yes will not just sit idly by if these plans do not come into fruition.
Oh, and Larss, dont talk shit.
larss
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And precisely what part of what I said was shit?
Does Scotland or does Scotland not have free NHS prescriptions?
Does Scotland or does Scotland not have free university education?
Scotland gets a larger proportion of tax revenue from the whole of the UK per capita than England.
England does not have it's own parliament. All of the other countries in the UK do.
All of the laws that affect only England pass through Westminster where Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs all have a say.
I was quite looking forward to seeing Scotland struggle as an independent nation with the SNP trying desperately to pay for all of the promises that they made.
DP_LOVER
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Scotland contributes more than 90% of the UK's oil and gas revenues and receives nowhere near its fair share of the returns. This is all pumped into London and the south east to keep tories and their friends in high places happy.
The Scottish parliament has control over larges parts of the NHS and education sectors in the country and chooses to provide free education and prescriptions rather than make the poorest members have to fork out £7.50 per item on the prescription and pay thousands in top up fees. England doesnt pay for any of this, we just chose to try and help those less fortunate than ourselves rather than Cameron and co who would rather tax those who would dare to have a spare bedroom over the multi-billion pound companies who conveniently avoid paying tax
The Scottish parliament has control over larges parts of the NHS and education sectors in the country and chooses to provide free education and prescriptions rather than make the poorest members have to fork out £7.50 per item on the prescription and pay thousands in top up fees. England doesnt pay for any of this, we just chose to try and help those less fortunate than ourselves rather than Cameron and co who would rather tax those who would dare to have a spare bedroom over the multi-billion pound companies who conveniently avoid paying tax
larss
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Actually, England does pay for it. As I pointed out, Scotland receives more per capita of the tax revenue of the whole of the UK than England, which therefore means that we in England at least subsidise your free prescriptions and university education.
As for oil and gas, the investment was made by british (not Scottish) companies and therefore the tax revenues from this goes to the UK not directly to Scotland. As the United Kingdom we all share in the good and the bad.
The whole bedroom tax bollocks has been blown out of proportion. Why should someone who is in a council property have a spare room that could be used to house one of the many other homeless people. If you let the room be used - no tax. If you move to a smaller property - no tax. I am sure that there are a lot of people who will not agree with that (mostly those in council houses with spare rooms) but if you are going to take from the people (through having subsidised housing) then you should be prepared to give something back. I am all for helping those less fortunate and ensuring the people are fed and housed but why should I pay for someone to have more than they actually need?
As for oil and gas, the investment was made by british (not Scottish) companies and therefore the tax revenues from this goes to the UK not directly to Scotland. As the United Kingdom we all share in the good and the bad.
The whole bedroom tax bollocks has been blown out of proportion. Why should someone who is in a council property have a spare room that could be used to house one of the many other homeless people. If you let the room be used - no tax. If you move to a smaller property - no tax. I am sure that there are a lot of people who will not agree with that (mostly those in council houses with spare rooms) but if you are going to take from the people (through having subsidised housing) then you should be prepared to give something back. I am all for helping those less fortunate and ensuring the people are fed and housed but why should I pay for someone to have more than they actually need?
DP_LOVER
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Utter tosh.
What about all those people with huge homes with several spare bedrooms, or politicians with a London home and a nice little place in the country? Should they be taxed on their spare rooms too then seeing as they cant possibly use them? Oh that's right, they paid for their homes with a mortgage which was funded by a bank which was bailed out by the tax payer so in effect we are already paying for people having more bedrooms than they need. You are already paying for people having more than they need thanks to banks giving people 110% mortgages and buying bigger homes than they needed just because they could.
We are fortunate in Scotland to have a parliament who is willing to fight for devolved powers from Westminster to be able to provide free prescriptions and education. It is not a case that England 'pays' for this, we distribute our income fairer that's all so when people have to pay £7.50 per item for a prescription or have to pay top up fees for universities they look at Scotland with envy and moan how 'England' i paying for it. Rather than demanding that England spends a little less money on illegal wars or on building a train line that will get you from London to Birmingham about 30 mins quicker and starts to look at those who need help the most.
And to suggest that we all share the good and the bad is ridiculous. Your very own Boris Johnson is on record saying that a pound spent in Croyden is better than a pound spent in Strathcylde but he could have easily said Yorkshire, the Midlands, Northumberland, Wales the point remains, London gets the investment and the rUK gets the crumbs.
What about all those people with huge homes with several spare bedrooms, or politicians with a London home and a nice little place in the country? Should they be taxed on their spare rooms too then seeing as they cant possibly use them? Oh that's right, they paid for their homes with a mortgage which was funded by a bank which was bailed out by the tax payer so in effect we are already paying for people having more bedrooms than they need. You are already paying for people having more than they need thanks to banks giving people 110% mortgages and buying bigger homes than they needed just because they could.
We are fortunate in Scotland to have a parliament who is willing to fight for devolved powers from Westminster to be able to provide free prescriptions and education. It is not a case that England 'pays' for this, we distribute our income fairer that's all so when people have to pay £7.50 per item for a prescription or have to pay top up fees for universities they look at Scotland with envy and moan how 'England' i paying for it. Rather than demanding that England spends a little less money on illegal wars or on building a train line that will get you from London to Birmingham about 30 mins quicker and starts to look at those who need help the most.
And to suggest that we all share the good and the bad is ridiculous. Your very own Boris Johnson is on record saying that a pound spent in Croyden is better than a pound spent in Strathcylde but he could have easily said Yorkshire, the Midlands, Northumberland, Wales the point remains, London gets the investment and the rUK gets the crumbs.
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Anonyne#017
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Men in skirts who prefer to play sports for little girls with silly names like soccer instead of football? No thanks... I don't give a fuck, unless there exist some financial motivation directly affecting me somehow positively...
Nobody in Scotland calls football "soccer."
DP_LOVER
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No one calls it soccer!
And I would invite you to look up shinty and tell me that it is a girly sport. None of your padded luxury those American footballers insist on.
Chopper3000
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Surely American football should be called handoval?
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The yes campaign was marked by wildly irresponsible optimism over an independent Scottish future. Sure, Scotland can claim to be relatively wealthy etc but that's because of her present situation. The idea that in the event of a separation somehow everything would be the same only under purely Scottish control is ridiculous.Much of Scotland's wealth derives quite simply from being an integral part of the UK with pooling of resources.There would have been an immediate and massive movement of money out and relocation of many businesses.Finance is all about confidence and the world outside doesn't have enough confidence in an independent Scotland to risk its assets.They may be wrong but the market has no sentiment.
As the Scots , as they are entitled to, want more spending on social security, health etc they have to say where the money is coming from.But they didn't even know what currency they would use. If wanting to rejoin the EU it may well have been forced to use the Euro.It would then not really be independent as it would dance to Germany's tune.In any case their intentions would have led to higher taxes so anything which could be moved to a lower tax area would soon go.What happens to their share of the National Debt? A lot to pay, and if they turn their back on it they will be a nation in default and end up with a dismal credit rating.And they would need to borrow plenty.
So nothing had really been thought out.The choice was between the status quo and a poisoned chalice.
As the Scots , as they are entitled to, want more spending on social security, health etc they have to say where the money is coming from.But they didn't even know what currency they would use. If wanting to rejoin the EU it may well have been forced to use the Euro.It would then not really be independent as it would dance to Germany's tune.In any case their intentions would have led to higher taxes so anything which could be moved to a lower tax area would soon go.What happens to their share of the National Debt? A lot to pay, and if they turn their back on it they will be a nation in default and end up with a dismal credit rating.And they would need to borrow plenty.
So nothing had really been thought out.The choice was between the status quo and a poisoned chalice.
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