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second hand smoke

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
what you see as freedom, others see as a health issue. If smokers are allowed everywhere, then I should be allowed to go put small amounts of arsenic, formaldehyde, ammonia and hydrogen cyanide in peoples food and drinks. Its the exact same thing.

:1orglaugh No :tongue:

Just don't go to places that allow smoking at the discretion of the owner.

We don't need any more intrusion or regulations from the federal government or the state in our lives. It is not their job and my life is not for them to control.
 

squallumz

knows petras secret: she farted.
...distract us from what is really unhealthy such as pre-processed food which are full of chemicals, preservatives, colorants and made of dubious origins ingredients, fluoride water, excessive use of parfumes and deodorants and lots of other poisoned shit.

:yesyes:! im with you there!
 

SpexyAshleigh

MasterBlaster
Official Checked Star Member
then what do you think about my idea? have designated places (specific bars/stores/restaraunts) that allow it, and others that do not?

Sure that'd be fine but what if my favorite restaurant or bar allowed smoking...should I be denied the right to go have a good time on a Friday nite simply because I make better health choices for myself?


:1orglaugh No :tongue:

Just don't go to places that allow smoking at the discretion of the owner.

We don't need any more intrusion or regulations from the federal government or the state in our lives. It is not their job and my life is not for them to control.

I think that when the "control" they want is just making healthier environments for everyone...thats not a bad thing. And I don't think that I should have to choose between not going to my favorite restaurant, or going in and exposing myself to harmful air. Thats not fair to ME, as a non smoker, to be forced to be exposed to that kind of shiz if I want to just go out for a nite. I don't see how leaving a bar for five mins for a smoke break is a huge inconvenience, especially when it means that everyone in the establishment is getting clean oxygen to breathe. Fill your own lungs with that crap if you want, THAT is your right...but you don't have the right to put other peoples health at risk in a place thats supposed to be public.

I can listen to loud music and be as obnoxious as I want in my own home but I couldn't go to TGI Fridays with a huge stereo and blast Backstreet boys at full volume while sitting at my table - because it'd annoy all the other patrons. So to think that smokers get that right, the right to do whatever they wish to bother non-smokers, and put their health in jeopardy..that just seems ludicrous to me. :dunno:
 

STDiva

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
what are everyone's thoughts on having specific stores/restaurants/bars that are smoking and others that are not?

That wouldn't work. Who's to decide which places allow smoking? The owners. And the owners will allow smoking everytime. Think about it, if someones owns a bar, what's the bigger demographic? Smokers and people who don't smoke but could care less or people who don't smoke? Pretty easy decision if you ask me. Every place would be smoking.

I fully endorse no smoking indoors in public. This has been in effect for a few years now in Windsor. When you smoke, everyone around you smokes. That's not right. Go outside and smoke.
 

SpexyAshleigh

MasterBlaster
Official Checked Star Member
just an excuse to distract us from what is really unhealthy such as pre-processed food which are full of chemicals, preservatives, colorants and made of dubious origins ingredients, fluoride water, excessive use of parfumes and deodorants and lots of other poisoned shit.

I hear you there. The way we live today is unhealthy as a whole. But as a consumer, we all have the ability to change what we consume and put on or in our bodies. I eat primarily only organic foods and meat, that I've bought straight off the farm. I'm working on using natural products (although its hard in our job to avoid using makeup, hair products as I'm sure you know)...but the thing with smoking is, what you choose to do, affects those around you. Thats why its important for those choices to smoke, to remain individual choices and not the smoker choosing for everyone else what to breathe in or consume.
 

SpexyAshleigh

MasterBlaster
Official Checked Star Member
That wouldn't work. Who's to decide which places allow smoking? The owners. And the owners will allow smoking everytime. Think about it, if someones owns a bar, what's the bigger demographic? Smokers and people who don't smoke but could care less or people who don't smoke? Pretty easy decision if you ask me. Every place would be smoking.

I fully endorse no smoking indoors in public. This has been in effect for a few years now in Windsor. When you smoke, everyone around you smokes. That's not right. Go outside and smoke.

Yep.

And I mean, they have bans on even wearing perfume in certain places (doctors offices, dentist, hospitals, etc) because the smell and chemicals can affect people who are sensitive to them...I don't have a problem not putting on perfume if I'm going to the doctor because I don't want anyone to have an allergic reaction because of my Ralph Lauren. I don't see why smokers can't have that same attitude. Its not THAT big of a deal to hop outside for a few mins to smoke and then return to whatever it was you were doing inside. I live in ON too, and I think most people prefer the smoking ban indoors...even some of the smokers.
 

mr. jizz

FreeOnes makes me moist!
I hear you there. The way we live today is unhealthy as a whole. But as a consumer, we all have the ability to change what we consume and put on or in our bodies. I eat primarily only organic foods and meat, that I've bought straight off the farm. I'm working on using natural products (although its hard in our job to avoid using makeup, hair products as I'm sure you know)...but the thing with smoking is, what you choose to do, affects those around you. Thats why its important for those choices to smoke, to remain individual choices and not the smoker choosing for everyone else what to breathe in or consume.

I tried doing that for as long as I could and I enjoyed it, but organic foods are extremely expensive and it really hurts your wallet, with gas as high as it is I can't really afford organic food and drink but I wish I could all this commercialized stuff really sucks.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
I think that when the "control" they want is just making healthier environments for everyone...thats not a bad thing. And I don't think that I should have to choose between not going to my favorite restaurant, or going in and exposing myself to harmful air. Thats not fair to ME, as a non smoker, to be forced to be exposed to that kind of shiz if I want to just go out for a nite. I don't see how leaving a bar for five mins for a smoke break is a huge inconvenience, especially when it means that everyone in the establishment is getting clean oxygen to breathe. Fill your own lungs with that crap if you want, THAT is your right...but you don't have the right to put other peoples health at risk in a place thats supposed to be public.

Then I want to control what people drink and so on.
Since the majority of people are not responsible and crash their vehicles and start fights when they are drunk, you can now only drink in your home. It's only fair.

That's where this is going, the control over everything you do.

Welcome to 1984. :hatsoff:
 

squallumz

knows petras secret: she farted.
I tried doing that for as long as I could and I enjoyed it, but organic foods are extremely expensive and it really hurts your wallet, with gas as high as it is I can't really afford organic food and drink but I wish I could all this commercialized stuff really sucks.

this is the vicious cycle.

we were able to eat all organic a couple of years ago and man i felt so much better. lost some weight, the whole 9, even got rid of some health issues.

fast forward a couple years and with a move and a new job, we cant afford to do that anymore. organic food is really expensive, and regular food is already moved and moving up in cost. we try to make the best choices we can but choosing things with minimal ingredients and more natural foods. im the biggest label reader out there.

have you guys seen the price of vegetable lately by the way?

2 dollars of ONE fucking red bell pepper? 3 for a head of cauliflower? potatoes have gone up a whole dollar too. its fucking stupid.
 

SpexyAshleigh

MasterBlaster
Official Checked Star Member
I tried doing that for as long as I could and I enjoyed it, but organic foods are extremely expensive and it really hurts your wallet, with gas as high as it is I can't really afford organic food and drink but I wish I could all this commercialized stuff really sucks.

really? I find that the food I buy is on par with processed food...if you go directly to an organic farm for say, beef, its cheaper if you buy half a cow or a whole cow and it lasts most of the year. You pay alot upfront but ground beef for example usually costs me around $3.50 a lb from the farm but prices in grocery stores is usually over $4 a lb. Maybe its different in the US but up here its almost the same, sometimes cheaper and sometimes more expensive...but it all evens out. But even if it were more expensive I'd still pay for it...I prioritize my health above all, so if I don't get to go shopping, or get a few nites out with the girls in order to get a good diet in, then thats ok with me. Food takes up 1/4 of my budget every month lol.
 

SpexyAshleigh

MasterBlaster
Official Checked Star Member
Then I want to control what people drink and so on.
Since the majority of people are not responsible and crash their vehicles and start fights when they are drunk, you can now only drink in your home. It's only fair.

That's where this is going, the control over everything you do.

Welcome to 1984. :hatsoff:

You're right, drinking in excess DOES cause alot of issues. But those issues are more with dumbasses and not responsible drinkers. Responsible drinkers don't crash cars or cause fights. And responsible smokers should smoke outdoors and not around other people. So forcing people to be responsible smokers, is still giving them their right to smoke, but to just do it in a respectful manner.
 

mr. jizz

FreeOnes makes me moist!
this is the vicious cycle.

we were able to eat all organic a couple of years ago and man i felt so much better. lost some weight, the whole 9, even got rid of some health issues.

fast forward a couple years and with a move and a new job, we cant afford to do that anymore. organic food is really expensive, and regular food is already moved and moving up in cost. we try to make the best choices we can but choosing things with minimal ingredients and more natural foods. im the biggest label reader out there.

have you guys seen the price of vegetable lately by the way?

2 dollars of ONE fucking red bell pepper? 3 for a head of cauliflower? potatoes have gone up a whole dollar too. its fucking stupid.

Yeah, I felt way better just eating organic but I just can't afford it anymore, I was gonna buy a 16 oz pomegranate juice, one of those organic brands, the other day and they wanted to charge me $5.50, I decided on a Gatorade for $1, which didn't go down as easily as the juice would've. SO you're either fucked financially or health-wise.


really? I find that the food I buy is on par with processed food...if you go directly to an organic farm for say, beef, its cheaper if you buy half a cow or a whole cow and it lasts most of the year. You pay alot upfront but ground beef for example usually costs me around $3.50 a lb from the farm but prices in grocery stores is usually over $4 a lb. Maybe its different in the US but up here its almost the same, sometimes cheaper and sometimes more expensive...but it all evens out. But even if it were more expensive I'd still pay for it...I prioritize my health above all, so if I don't get to go shopping, or get a few nites out with the girls in order to get a good diet in, then thats ok with me. Food takes up 1/4 of my budget every month lol.

The thing is is that I live in a place where all food is covered in lard and people don't give a shit, so organic food is really hard to come by and very expensive. My brother's girlfriend, who is from a European country, was disgusted by the cities choice in cuisine and selection for organic food. The only places you can find Organic food outside of a specialty store is Target in a really small section. The veggies are probably triple what you would pay normally and stuff like lean ground turkey is $7 for a small package, it's ridiculous.
 

Shifty

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
what is your take on smoking? second hand or otherwise, what is your stance on the link between cigarettes and cancer or just death in general? feel free to post evidence of your stance or just blow smoke out your ass ;) either way, it's pretty much the thought of whose side are you on? the cigarette companies or the anti smoking lobbiest?

personally i think the anti smokers have taken it too far (have you seen their disgusting ass comercials?)

was gonna post a poll, but i guess i took one second too long :confused:

I'm on no actual side. Wanna smoke? Smoke away!

Just keep that shit out of my face. :mad:
 

SpexyAshleigh

MasterBlaster
Official Checked Star Member
Yeah, I felt way better just eating organic but I just can't afford it anymore, I was gonna buy a 16 oz pomegranate juice, one of those organic brands, the other day and they wanted to charge me $5.50, I decided on a Gatorade for $1, which didn't go down as easily as the juice would've. SO you're either fucked financially or health-wise.




The thing is is that I live in a place where all food is covered in lard and people don't give a shit, so organic food is really hard to come by and very expensive. My brother's girlfriend, who is from a European country, was disgusted by the cities choice in cuisine and selection for organic food. The only places you can find Organic food outside of a specialty store is Target in a really small section. The veggies are probably triple what you would pay normally and stuff like lean ground turkey is $7 for a small package, it's ridiculous.

That really sucks :( I guess I take for granted how life is in Canada....our government and way of life tends to be more "health aware", so we have alot of options. For example, I have like 17 organic farms within an hours drive of me. Don't you guys have like, farmers markets? Where local farmers, even the non organic ones, meet up and sell their products? Usually buying local is way cheaper than buying from a grocery store.
 

SabrinaDeep

Disciple of the Cult Mother
Official Checked Star Member
Sorry Spexy. I know what you mean, but i have a certain allergy to strategic control. There is NO FINAL study which can demonstrate second hand smoke relation to health problems.

Don't forget that the anti-porn movement use exactly the same assumption that you have made about the smoke.

Anti smoking crusade has been made solely to distract ppl from the real health related shyte and to test nanny rules as anti-porn crusade is going on solely for the same reasons. When smoke will be forbidden, porn will be forbidden, booze will be forbidden, videogames will be forbidden and God knows what else, they will start pushing against what we say and what we think because we will be already so stupidly brainwashed about "We know what's good for you" that we will be convinced that they know.

You don't like second hand smoke? 1) Raise your kids teaching them respect for the next. 2) Tell the disturbing smokers nicely that you would appreciate if s/he put the butt off. You'll see that most ppl will and if someone does not, feel free to complain less nicely (yes, raising your voice and fighting with respect is possible and it's very liberating) and you will see that you'll get enough support to make the offender feel stupid and desist.

This is of course my opinable opinion.



MR. JIZZ: organic food is a scam. You don't need to buy "organic" food in order to eat healthy. You need to buy raw ingredients and to cook them for yourself. Buy a pack of pasta and three fresh tomatoes and you can eat a delicious and healthy dish with 3 dollars. It's preprocessed food that is shit: already cooked pasta wrapped in plastic or in a can is full of chemicals and poison and it's stuffed with sodium glutammate, colorants and taste enhancers; ready to season salad wrapped in plastic has been pre washed with detergents (yes, detergents!) and on top of swallowing chemicals residuals, you don't assume any natural vitamins from the salad because they have been washed away.

I'd take second hand smoke all the time.
 
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PlumpRump

If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
You're right, drinking in excess DOES cause alot of issues. But those issues are more with dumbasses and not responsible drinkers. Responsible drinkers don't crash cars or cause fights. And responsible smokers should smoke outdoors and not around other people. So forcing people to be responsible smokers, is still giving them their right to smoke, but to just do it in a respectful manner.

Where's the outrage that there isn't a law that mandates non-smokers must be "responsible," and respectful to law abiding smokers? Just as soon as they pass a law that says that non-smokers must be respectful to smokers who are smoking in an area where it is allowed, then I will start being a "responsible" smoker, whatever that means.

Speaking of responsible, doesn't it seem a bit irresponsible that the anti-smoking lobby is skewing the statistics on "smoking deaths," by lumping all diseases related to smoking into said category, regardless of the cause of onset, smoking or otherwise? Heart disease, stroke, COPD, emphysema, heart attack, lung/throat/skin/gall bladder/esophageal/stomach cancer etc. are all diseases/conditions that one could fall subject to without ever smoking, or having been "subjected" to second-hand smoke, yet several groups tend to lump all these cases together to pad their numbers to make "smoking death" statistics seem far more significant. Talk about irresponsible.

And don't even get me started about seeing those "Truth" commercials talking about how deplorable it is that smoking causes cardiovascular disease, strokes and high blood pressure, immediately followed by a Carl's Jr. (Hardee's, to those west of the Mississippi), Denny's or Chili's commercial, immediately thereafter followed by a "lose weight now" pill/drink/surgical procedure commercial. Responsible?

Smoking takes the same exact amount of time off of my life as does being within range of a 600lb. woman chowing down on a Carl's Jr. breakfast burger at 7 in the morning. The deadly toxins and harmful molecules emanating from morbidly obese people's armpits and overly-flatulent assholes are just as, if not more so, dangerous than first, or even second hand smoke. There are several studies that I have personally conducted that prove this assertion without reproach.

Smoking is dangerous to your health, yes. So is not minding your own business and feeling the overwhelming desire to start flapping your gums to a smoker who is doing so in an area in which smoking is permitted. Keep pushing on smokers, and eventually you're going to push the wrong button, on the wrong smoker.

Also, to say that "irresponsible" drinkers are the only people who drive drunk is ridiculous. How many "responsible" drivers turn into "irresponsible" drivers each year after their 1st DUI, or fist DUI accident? In 2007 in California alone, there were more than 123,000 first time DUI convictions. So by your logic, more than 123,000 Californians, in 2007, turned from "responsible" drivers into "irresponsible" drivers in a matter of moments.
 

mr. jizz

FreeOnes makes me moist!
That really sucks :( I guess I take for granted how life is in Canada....our government and way of life tends to be more "health aware", so we have alot of options. For example, I have like 17 organic farms within an hours drive of me. Don't you guys have like, farmers markets? Where local farmers, even the non organic ones, meet up and sell their products? Usually buying local is way cheaper than buying from a grocery store.

Yeah we've got some pretty great Markets, however the real good one is about 15 miles away from my house and I only go when I'm at my grandma's house cause she lives close to it. The other is probably about 4-5 miles away too, all I've got around my house is two Walmarts, two Targets and an Albertson's, which all pretty much suck. I'll probably start biking to the one that's 4 miles away, a few times a week, to save some gas, and more exercise which is always a plus and better food, I was just sidetracked with school lately.
 

Shifty

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Sorry Spexy. I know what you mean, but i have a certain allergy to strategic control. There is NO FINAL study which can demonstrate second hand smoke relation to health problems.

Sabrina, filtered cigarette smoke causes cancer. Second hand cigarette smoke is unfiltered. Therefore, _____.

In any case:

Does exposure to secondhand smoke cause cancer?

Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. National Toxicology Program, the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer have all classified secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen (a cancer-causing agent)


http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS
 

PlumpRump

If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
Sabrina, filtered cigarette smoke causes cancer. Second hand cigarette smoke is unfiltered. Therefore, _____.

In any case:

Does exposure to secondhand smoke cause cancer?

Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. National Toxicology Program, the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer have all classified secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen (a cancer-causing agent)


http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS

Quoting the National Cancer Institute? That seems like a pretty non-biased source :facepalm:. That's like quoting Fox News trying to prove that Democrats are inferior to Republicans. Of course those governmental agencies make those claims; those claims serve only to "justify" larger budgets for the agencies involved. They will of course claim that second-hand smoke is bad, and use their "findings" to request more money from the government to "educate" the idiotic masses who can't take care of themselves.

Here's a quote from Tobacco.org, that says second-hand doesn't cause cancer:
Many claim that second-hand smoke is really bad (according to the studies quoted), but there have been a great many studies that say second-hand smoke is not harmful. Some studies say that it does, but it is minicscule, and really presents no problems. The news media does not print stories about those, because they do not want folks to know about them.
http://www.tobacco.org/news/261531.html

Seems pretty airtight to me.
 

mr. jizz

FreeOnes makes me moist!
MR. JIZZ: organic food is a scam. You don't need to buy "organic" food in order to eat healthy. You need to buy raw ingredients and to cook them for yourself. Buy a pack of pasta and three fresh tomatoes and you can eat a delicious and healthy dish with 3 dollars. It's preprocessed food that is shit: already cooked pasta wrapped in plastic or in a can is full of chemicals and poison and it's stuffed with sodium glutammate, colorants and taste enhancers; ready to season salad wrapped in plastic has been pre washed with detergents (yes, detergents!) and on top of swallowing chemicals residuals, you don't assume any natural vitamins from the salad because they have been washed away.

I get what your saying and yeah I'm eating pretty healthy right now and it's not organic, basically my favorite thing is lean ground turkey burger with some brand name wheat flat bread. I just wish I could find veggies in a place besides Walmart or other shops here. Some cousins and friends have worked in those places and the stuff they tell me about the chemicals they spray on the veggies to prolong their shelf life just terrifies me. And yeah I'd NEVER buy pre packaged veggies, not only because of the chemicals but also the outbreak of disease that pre packaged Spinach had a few years ago, I doubt those companies really care about the safety of the consumer.... but anyway, I'm getting off topic... excuse me. I'm gonna try the pasta though, it sounds delish.
 
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