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PlumpRump
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That's obviously debatable. There are studies that claim to have proof that falls on both sides of the fence, conducted by separate individuals, with comparable credentials.
Which doctors and scientists should we believe? The ones quoted by the anti-smoking lobby or the ones quoted by corporations like Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds?
PlumpRump
If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Does smoking lend itself to certain forms of cancer? Sure, probably. But worldwide, there are people who vehemently disagree, and have conducted studies that conclude the contrary.
Correlation does not imply causation, a fact that is severely overlooked in relation to this specific debate.
Somebody show me the actual study that proves causation, not simply correlation or "linkage," and I'll have nothing further to say. And since that study doesn't exist, I won't hold my breath.
SEXJS
Would rather be pissed on than pissed off
what is your take on smoking? second hand or otherwise, what is your stance on the link between cigarettes and cancer or just death in general? feel free to post evidence of your stance or just blow smoke out your asseither way, it's pretty much the thought of whose side are you on? the cigarette companies or the anti smoking lobbiest?
personally i think the anti smokers have taken it too far (have you seen their disgusting ass comercials?)
was gonna post a poll, but i guess i took one second too long
I quit smoking 28 years ago.
I smoked non-filtered camels~~3 packs a day.
One day I quit cold turkey. Then I went to warm chicken.
Actually I did quit then and stayed quit.
As for my attitude about it, I don't let anyone smoke in my house or car and, since I have asthma, I ask, yes, ask and don't whine if someone will put it out till I leave.
By that I mean when I'm at someone's house reapiring an appliance.
And, by appliance, I mean a washer or dryer and NOT a vibrator.
I can't stand to kiss a woman who smokes. Even her pussy tastes like smoke.
However, if she doesn't smoke butt is smokin' hot, that's an entirely different story.
So, did I tell you everything you needed to know about smoking/not smoking?
Facetious
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I'm one of your rare occasional smokers as I smoke about a pack and a half a week, FWIW.
When I'm not smoking, second hand smoke bothers me something furious, I hate it, it actually turns me against smoking if you can figure that out. :dunno: I would never ever even think of lighting up inside my residence or anywhere it might inconvenience others.
I am against all of those do gooder cities that enact a non smoking policy across the board i.e. Belmont, Ca. . . . Santa Monica, Ca. to name a few, it's way too big brother/big sisterish of these cities to be enacting such laws... as Will E W had suggested... what would be next, liquor etc. etc.?
When I'm not smoking, second hand smoke bothers me something furious, I hate it, it actually turns me against smoking if you can figure that out. :dunno: I would never ever even think of lighting up inside my residence or anywhere it might inconvenience others.
I am against all of those do gooder cities that enact a non smoking policy across the board i.e. Belmont, Ca. . . . Santa Monica, Ca. to name a few, it's way too big brother/big sisterish of these cities to be enacting such laws... as Will E W had suggested... what would be next, liquor etc. etc.?
Shifty
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
There is no implication of causation.
There is only affirmation of ignorance.
After all, this is the Internet.
I don't need a "study" to tell me that second hand smoke not only causes healthy problems, but kills. I watched my grandmother suffer with lung cancer until it finally took her life, and like I said, she didn't smoke a day in her life but her lungs were full of crap from my grandfathers second hand smoke. 50 years ago people weren't aware of the dangers of smoking but my grandmother was one of the examples of how smoking kills when people started learning a bit more about their habits. I don't care what one website says, or another study dictates: smoking, and second hand smoke kills. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, and certainly it doesn't hit everyone but it DOES take lives. I don't even see how that fact can be disputed.
PlumpRump
If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
No? So you were away from your computer when the below was posted, then?
At least we agree on something:
PlumpRump
If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
A person can get lung cancer without smoking or being "subjected" to second-hand. 50 years ago, people weren't aware of the dangers of lead paint and asbestos either, both of which are alleged to cause lung cancer.
Hot Mega
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I smoke cigars and have been for many years. If I'm smoking and in a room full of 50 other people with cigars, it doesn't bother me at all. If I'm not smoking 1 lit cigar or cigarette around me is noticeable (in a bad way). I believe it's all psychological as I've been in strip clubs where you could cut the smoke with a knife but it not bother me because my mind is elsewhere I suppose.
For the above circumstance I can understand why someone who doesn't smoke finds second hand smoke annoying. But the reality is briefly wading through someone's cloud of smoke isn't going to kill you. I generally go outside to smoke for a variety of reasons but one of them is because of what it will do to the inside of the house over time. The irony I suppose would be me apparently caring more about the inside of my home than the inside of HM.
Why there is a question is because everyone who smokes doesn't automatically get cancer and die. I think some believe there needs to be more investigation into why that is.
Facetious
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QUOTE=Hot Mega;5678282]I smoke cigars and have been for many years. [/QUOTE]
What are your favourite top 3 smokes? :curio:
Let's all be clear and make the distinction between dangerous and not so dangerous second hand smoke if it hasn't yet been done in this lengthy thread. The occasional instances of somebody breathing second hand smoke is not dangerous to ones health, it's merely an inconvenience. The dangerous second hand smoke is the kind of smoke that lingers in a given environment, an environment in which others must spend many hours a day of their lives, be it inside a home, inside a bar.... wherever.
Kapeesh?
Having said that, does anybody have a problem with businesses i.e. bars & restaurants etc. creating special outdoor areas to satisfy the smoking populace of society?
What are your favourite top 3 smokes? :curio:
Let's all be clear and make the distinction between dangerous and not so dangerous second hand smoke if it hasn't yet been done in this lengthy thread. The occasional instances of somebody breathing second hand smoke is not dangerous to ones health, it's merely an inconvenience. The dangerous second hand smoke is the kind of smoke that lingers in a given environment, an environment in which others must spend many hours a day of their lives, be it inside a home, inside a bar.... wherever.
Kapeesh?
Having said that, does anybody have a problem with businesses i.e. bars & restaurants etc. creating special outdoor areas to satisfy the smoking populace of society?
Shifty
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Hot Mega
I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
3?? Well, I'm generally a 30 min. guy so I'll lay out my top 3 robustos... Ashton Magnum, Romeo Y Julietta Bully and something you probably won't find, Vega Del Rey Robusto.
Anything longer than 30...Avo XO Maestoso, Avo Pyramides or a Fonseca V Churchill...
I always thought that smoking made about as much sense as somebody running into a burning house so they could inhale the all the fumes in it.
I don't really care if somebody else does it as long as they don't effect anybody else. I'm also one of those people that doesn't think it's the government's job to protect people from themselves. I also don't care if a place like a bar, restaurant, or some similar establishment like that has it, and think they should be allowed to choose to choose for themselves if they allow it on the premises. Anyplace where where any logical person should reasonably expect their to be smokers has no excuse if they go in them or choose to work there and get second hand smoke.
Now with all that said smoking really is a pretty stupid thing.
I don't really care if somebody else does it as long as they don't effect anybody else. I'm also one of those people that doesn't think it's the government's job to protect people from themselves. I also don't care if a place like a bar, restaurant, or some similar establishment like that has it, and think they should be allowed to choose to choose for themselves if they allow it on the premises. Anyplace where where any logical person should reasonably expect their to be smokers has no excuse if they go in them or choose to work there and get second hand smoke.
Now with all that said smoking really is a pretty stupid thing.
larss
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I think you'll find that he works for me :elaugh:
My take on smoking area in bars is it's like having a pissing and non pissing area in a swimming pool.
To make this work, they would have to be licensed and only have a set number of licensed premises in any particular area, otherwise you would get the majority of places allowing smoking again.
Holy fuck bro. You're quoting the fucking Wyoming Tribune-Eagle. And you facepalm me?
Does smoke inhaled from a cigarette cause cancer?
It seems to me that we know that smoking cigarettes causes cancer and that the cancer is caused my known carcinogens in tobacco smoke. That same smoke comes off the end of a burning cigarette and is exhaled by the smoker. This would suggest that second hand smoke contains those same carcinogens, and can therefore cause cancer. NOT does cause cancer, CAN cause cancer.
At the end of the day, you are better off not smoking and the people around you are better off if you do not smoke.
Danglyparts
FreeOnes turned me straight!
sounds good to me. they already do that with liquor licenses.
I know that, and I said that not everyone who smokes or is exposed to smoke gets lung cancer. But when my grandma died, and they did an autopsy, they asked my grandfather how much she smoked. He had to tell them never. It was known that it was second hand because of the state the lungs were in. I'm not saying people don't get lung cancer for other reasons, or saying that everyone who is exposed will get ill. I'm just stating my firsthand knowledge to those who say that secondhand smoke doesn't harm anyone. I lost my grandma years before I should have because of ignorant pricks who couldn't step outside for two minutes to smoke a cigarette. I don't know why, in this day and age, with what we know about smoking, people can't just have a bit of respect for those around them. Even IF cancer didn't exist and smoking didn't kill, there are so many people (like myself) with allergies to smoking, or people with asthma or other breathing issues, and even those who just find it disgusting and don't want to go home from the bar smelling like an ashtray.....its just common decency to not smoke around non smokers. I don't see how thats even a question.
If the thread were "is it ok to smoke in front of your children, or in a car full of people?" then I'm sure everyone would be like "no! thats child abuse!". But because we're talking about adults, and in a bar or restaurant scenario, it makes second hand smoke less detrimental.
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