Sen. Arlen Specter switches to Democratic party

[Skyraider22]

Well:dunno:

 

[nearlyinvisible]

He's switching parties because if not he'll lose his re-election.

Very principled man, Arlen.

^ Fact.

I live in PA and wouldn't vote for him regardless of his party affiliation.

 

[Sicario]

He's switching parties because if not he'll lose his re-election.

Very principled man, Arlen.

Yes he is. :yinyang:

Why did he wait 30 years to discover those principles? :dunno:

 

[ThatRedWing]

There's a difference? Since when? Polititian = Bullshit artist.

 

[bad_mofo]

He's switching parties because if not he'll lose his re-election.

Very principled man, Arlen.

I tend to side with Republicans more than Democrats on most issues, but in reality they are more alike than not. It's all about raising money and getting more power.

 

[DukeLaCrosse]

Benadict Arlen Spector...

He never really was a Republican to begin with, he will lose his next election and be replaced by a actual Republican.

Of course by then Obama will have the country into a full on depression and probably have nationalised the banks by then.

republicans got the country into a depression and democrats will get them out, just like clinton in 93

 

[ThatRedWing]

republicans got the country into a depression and democrats will get them out, just like clinton in 93

Have I been asleep for 20 years? What depession did Clinton get the U.S. out of?

 

[boobfan]

republicans got the country into a depression and democrats will get them out, just like clinton in 93

ah no Clintons Fair Lending act changes which did not require a lendor to make sure a loan recipient could repay a loan that was given screwed up the realestate market.

Obama has caused more unemployment since he has been elected than there has been since the great depression. OBAMA! not Bush, Not Clinton, Not H Bush!
Obama has done more to devalue the Dollar than any other president in history since FDR.
Obama has spent more in less than 100 days than has been spent in 12 the administrations of the past 12 years.

 

[Member2019]

I rest my case ...

republicans got the country into a depression and democrats will get them out, just like clinton in 93

ah no Clintons Fair Lending act changes which did not require a lendor to make sure a loan recipient could repay a loan that was given screwed up the realestate market.

With Democrats and Republicans pointing fingers at each other like this, especially when the Congress and Presidency are not the same (and the "approval ratings" matched whether up or down) ...

I rest my case (on why we keep, repeating history).

I mean, really, are people really still under the idea that Clinton left the economy "in good shape" at the end of 2000? Didn't Daschle's "the tax cuts caused the recession" laugher expose that folly already?

 

[boobfan]

With Democrats and Republicans pointing fingers at each other like this ...

I rest my case (on why we keep, repeating history).

Are people really still under the idea that Clinton left the economy "in good shape" at the end of 2000? Didn't Daschle's "the tax cuts caused the recession" laugher expose that folly already?

I don't see how anyone could belive after the CBO released/revealed Clintons accounting scam that the economy was in any kind of good shape.
What amazes the shit out of me is that Clinton was never held accountable for his smoke and mirrors game with his fake surplus.

 

[Member2019]

I can ...

I don't see how anyone could belive after the CBO released/revealed Clintons accounting scam that the economy was in any kind of good shape.
What amazes the shit out of me is that Clinton was never held accountable for his smoke and mirrors game with his fake surplus.

I can ...

Because there was a Republican Congress also involved.

Nearly all of Contract with America passed. As much as you can point fingers at Clinton for, you can often find a very approving and supportive Republican Congress also involved with it.

In fact, people often forget the issues and horrible fuck-ups -- both domestic and foreign -- by the Clinton administration from 1993-1994, prior to the 1994 election and the Republican sweeps 1995+.

Which means that people will pick'n choose what they believe. But it still doesn't remove the fact that a lot of the "false wealth" and other non-sense, that "came to fruition" in 2000 through 2001 (on W.'s time), were caused by the Republican Congress as much as Clinton.

Which is why I am just as ready criticize Democrats who think Clinton created a "surplus" and the immediate job losses and recession in W.'s first quarter as W.'s fault as much as I'm ready to defend Clinton against Republicans who want to solely blame him for that state.

Why does this just smack of my same point over in the DoJ/Waterboarding thread? People want to blame one, instead of recognizing the bigger picture that crosses many?

 

[Facetious]

Spector has been a pain in the ass RINO anyway, let the democrats now deal with him and all of his geriatric outspokenness. :rofl::glugglug:

 

[feller469]

I hate getting involved in these discussions but when I see someone say the Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility I want to puke blood. The Republicans have had control of either the White House or Congress just about every year since 1981. Ironically, that is the same year our national debt took off like a rocket. As long as the corporations were happy, everyone should be happy. Then the parties began to look so much alike they became interchangeable. I remember when Tip O'Neill, Jesse Helms and others on Capital Hill carried real weight. Now they are just talking heads bowing to the compnay line, with both parties pretty much answering to the same off-camera person. With Specter now a Dem maybe they can get the ball rolling, whatever direction, as long as it is moving.

 

[CADDYMAN]

Considering that the Republicans have not won an election since Bushs father

They might want to retool or .....we need another party with people who actually have an adjenda that isnt clouded by a bunch of religious horseshit.

 

[Member2019]

So which is it?

I hate getting involved in these discussions but when I see someone say the Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility I want to puke blood.

Agreed.

The Republicans have had control of either the White House or Congress just about every year since 1981.

And where do you not see the Democrats as part of that equation?

The massive debt increases of 1993-1994 (which the Clinton OMB admitted would be $7T by 2000), and the reductions in spending of 1995+ with a Republican Congress.

So where are you going with this?

Other than to say that the Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats? If that's your statement, I agree 100%.

Considering that the Republicans have not won an election since Bushs father

Oh yeah, that's truth (not). That political rhetoric does get rather old.

They might want to retool or .....we need another party with people who actually have an adjenda that isnt clouded by a bunch of religious horseshit.

If you think W. was "religious," you haven't recognized the man for the lip service he used towards his own, religious right.

Hell, I think even Oliver Stone made that point well in W. He didn't want to be out-Texan'd or out-Christian'd ever again. Much like Oliver Stone made the real point on Nixon that the 1960 election made him paranoid, and explained a lot about the man, what loyalty meant to him (and sometimes his own hypocrisy), etc...

The more you "blanket cover" W. and others as people "pushing religious horseshit," the more people reject "the other option" as "being remotely understanding of their viewpoints."

 

[feller469]

I guess my point is that when people label one party as being the party of (insert noun here) it is usually BS. Both parties are guilty of running this country into the ground. Being re-elected was the main priority for most of the elected officials. The hypocrisy of our government is exceeded only by its incompetence

 

[bustybbwlover]

indeed feller49, it's all about the career not the politics. political principles go as far as the election and then it's all about staying in office.

 

[D-rock]

I don't mind anybody saying they are going where their conscience takes them. I do have a problem with somebody switching parties in the middle of their term. It's seems a little unethical and unfair the constituents that voted for that person. (I have always believed that an elected official should just do what their constituents want anyhow regardless of party with only a small handful of exceptions.) Then again people are starting to say he's was practically a democrat anyhow so maybe it doesn’t matter.

 

[CunningStunts]

republicans got the country into a depression and democrats will get them out, just like clinton in 93

That is possibly the dumbest socio-economic comment I've ever read on this board.

If you truly believe that, PLEASE stop posting, go and learn about economics and free thinking without relying on one of the two major American ideologies to tell you how to interpret your world. :crash:

 

[Member2019]

I guess my point is that when people label one party as being the party of (insert noun here) it is usually BS. Both parties are guilty of running this country into the ground. Being re-elected was the main priority for most of the elected officials. The hypocrisy of our government is exceeded only by its incompetence

Then we agree.