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Separation

Montrealman

Love comes and goes but FreeOnes is forever.
Wow, my wife of 9 years and mother of my 3 kids isn't worth this much hassle...I know that I'm not.

If she wishes to continue playing these games with you, you need to become aloof to them. Better yet, play along. It will be better for you if you are a participant instead of a recipiant. If she calls, don't jump and get all excited and answer and be all gushy...let it go to voicemail. Relationships aren't just about compromise, but control, and she has you wrapped around her finger. Talk to her on your terms. Calling her just makes you a nag and a bother. Answering her calls makes you a wuss. Calling her back, at your convenience and on your terms, is appropriate thing to do here. Some people might call this manipulative, but your life seems out of control, and this will help you gain some semblance of control. This may turn into worthless phone tag, but that doesn't sound any worse than what you are going through now.

And if all else fails, you'll find someone else...there is always someone else. She isn't the love of your life because she'd be experiencing your life with you if she was.


Too true, thanks man I appreciate that a lot.
Yeah it's out in the open now tha she's dating this other guy yet trying to "protect" me by lying. I put all the facts on the table, took her key and told her not to come around anymore until she was ready to move out.
This morning I almost called in sick, I was up all night torturing myself knowing she sleeps there from time to time, it disgusts me. So I got on the last bus to make it to work and a few blocks later, he lives near and yeah I know where he lives and YES sometimes I want to go there & smash his dumb little player skull in, but I won't because I'm the nice guy. So anyhow she gets on and I go join her. She said she almost called in sick too. So we got to talking and she started holding my hand, holding tight too. We went to dinner after work, she's in class now but asked to come back & sleep here because she's a mess. She is, She's usually dead on gorgeous but now she's a wreck because of all this. I look great by the way. Everyone at work tells me I've never looked better, cool.

Anyhow I told her I always loved her uncondtionally, then I loved her out of fear when everything blew up but now I'm back to loving her even if she's not there. She loved that. So yeah I got myself another kiss on the lips, like last night. She's confused as hell. I don't want to mess up her brain, I just wish she would want to come back. I'm working on it fellas, wish me luck. :hatsoff:
 

Member2019

1,000 posts to go for my own user title!
Make sure she knows why ...

Yeah it's out in the open now tha she's dating this other guy yet trying to "protect" me by lying. I put all the facts on the table, took her key and told her not to come around anymore until she was ready to move out.
Make sure she knows why. Don't even focus on anything else, not worth it. Don't bother explaining it to anyone else other than this.

She couldn't be honest from Day, or should I say Night, One

You are 0% to blame for that. Everything else you or she could have done, you are 0% to blame for that. She should have just been honest. If she had, she would have had to face everything. But instead, she took you for granted.

This "protect you" is bullshit, and I'm glad you see through it. She doesn't deserve you, honestly. Maybe she'll come around. Maybe not. It doesn't matter. You honestly -- and I'm so sorry given how much you've invested in both your futures -- are better off without her. At least for now.

This morning I almost called in sick, I was up all night torturing myself knowing she sleeps there from time to time, it disgusts me. So I got on the last bus to make it to work and a few blocks later, he lives near and yeah I know where he lives and YES sometimes I want to go there & smash his dumb little player skull in, but I won't because I'm the nice guy.
It's more than that. He's honestly not to blame in this, she is, regardless of what he said or did. That's reality.

It's also best not to "give in" to her bullshit, and getting pissed at him plays right into that. Just avoid him. If you end up having to interact with him, then be nice to him. Don't even let them see a hint of anger or frustration. It will drive her up-the-wall, because she's immature and can't even be honest with herself. The only way she actually deals with herself is to focus on what problems you allegedly cause, instead of herself.

Honestly, I wouldn't even think of him. Don't even imagine him fucking her. Honestly. It does you 0 good.

So anyhow she gets on and I go join her. She said she almost called in sick too. So we got to talking and she started holding my hand, holding tight too. We went to dinner after work, she's in class now but asked to come back & sleep here because she's a mess. She is, She's usually dead on gorgeous but now she's a wreck because of all this. I look great by the way. Everyone at work tells me I've never looked better, cool.
I'd honestly cut her off. Until she can be honest with you, I'd cut her off. But that's me. You know her and yourself much better. But at the same time, that emotional tie is also driving you up the wall too.

Anyhow I told her I always loved her uncondtionally, then I loved her out of fear when everything blew up but now I'm back to loving her even if she's not there. She loved that. So yeah I got myself another kiss on the lips, like last night. She's confused as hell. I don't want to mess up her brain, I just wish she would want to come back. I'm working on it fellas, wish me luck. :hatsoff:
I'm hoping for you man. But don't be too hopeful. She really might be too immature right now, and too dishonest with everyone (which is the ultimate problem), to even be someone you want to deal with right now. It might be best to just be a friend, and cut off all emotional and physical ties.

Just don't embrace it with the assumption she's going to leave him and come back to you 100%. That's what I'm afraid you getting hurt by when she doesn't.
 

Juiceman

Licking pussy is better than licking ice cream
Hell, I was married for 22 years....the ONLY way to get over one ...is to get Under another one!!! women are a dime a dozen....All of them are so very insecure, each and every one...it's NOT our fault they were born genetically inferior!!!
 

Montrealman

Love comes and goes but FreeOnes is forever.
Wishing you luck, Montrealman; though after reading this whole thread I'm thinking the luckiest thing that could happen is for you to be done with her.
Thank you brother.
Funny you should say that though. I finally kicked her out, for good.
She found a schoolmate who he & his chick need a new place in April. Perfect for me. I wrote her "Your clothes will be in bags by tonight, in the hallway.
Come & get your clothes and stay away until you've found someone to sublet our place. About that, I will do visitations. Not you.
If your friend wants to come over to visit the place you have to check with me first. You don't show up. I'll present it to him."


I called a few hours after and yeah she was crying badly. I said my e-mail wasn't writen in vain, it was just what I had to do to get some of my life back. Oh and that if it had been me who I had done this, she knows too well she would've kicked me way more quickly.

It's been very hard and very quick too. In 8 weeks my whole life has changed. Completely changed. I think I've benefited the most though through this. Excercising a lot, going out way more, old friends and new friends. These changes are what I wanted to talk about with her just before the holidays. It's really too bad because our relationship could have improved. She gave up though and stopped caring.
c'est la vie!
Thanks everyone :hatsoff:
 

Member2019

1,000 posts to go for my own user title!
I called a few hours after and yeah she was crying badly.
In all honest, you should wait for her to call, not vice-versa. You don't want to be "following up" with her, let her do it. But that's my view, I don't know you two and your history.

One thing I'm getting tired of her doing, and I'm sure you are to, is her crying. In all honesty, I'd ask (almost rhetorically) what she is crying about, this is what she wanted. And when she says it was not, get her to understand that it might have all gone down differently if she was honest with you in the first place.

I really think she's crying for herself. She doesn't want to face up to the reality that she hid behind her own emotions and took advantage of your long friendship, not by just involving another man, but hiding everything from you. That was really the problem.

She doesn't want to be honest and state everything she wants, because she fears what she will lose. The thing about relationships is that it's not about what you "lose," but about finding a compatible set of values with those in your relationship. It's obvious to me that she wanted an one-way system.

I said my e-mail wasn't writen in vain, it was just what I had to do to get some of my life back. Oh and that if it had been me who I had done this, she knows too well she would've kicked me way more quickly.
Good for you! Keep your chin up. Keep it honest. Keep it real. And most importantly, don't get mad.

I know this will sting and hurt, but I think you know it's reality and you're letting it guide you, which is best:

If she can't take you cutting off her "direct support route without question" (which she had been taking advantage of), and she says she won't come back because of that, then that's 100% her fault. All you're doing is forcing her to live with her decision. You still love her. You still care about her. Heck, you've been more than understanding. All you want is honesty, not more lies, not more hiding behind her emotions. Not any more one-way.

No relationship lasts based on lies, or at least not once they are exposed. ;)

It's been very hard and very quick too. In 8 weeks my whole life has changed. Completely changed.
Dude, I utterly respect you like I've never respected anyone in a long time. You have gone through a lot of shit. I understand you use this board as an "outlet" at times. That's good. In fact, part of her problem is that she blabs to everyone but you, including your families, as well as another guy. You, instead, deal with it.

I think I've benefited the most though through this. Excercising a lot, going out way more, old friends and new friends.
You've done the best thing you could.

A) Know she means a lot to you, more than any other woman in your life, ever, and told her that. But ...
B) You made her face the reality that you're not going to be taking advantage of, so while she means everything to you, it's not the whole world in the end.

I really don't think she realized "B", and I don't think she's realizing it now. If she feels sorry for herself with her tears, regardless of what she says to you, I think it may be a long time before she "wakes up" to this. It would not surprise me one bit if she's confiding that in everyone else, or at least him. And that's her problem.

If my wife ever found her not being honest with me, repeatedly, then I'd have to divorce her. It's one thing if she told me she wants to fuck another man when I'm not around (something I wouldn't really care for), but it's another if she ever hid that from me. Even worse is if she started confiding in another man than myself. I know that latter is also something she would despise the most and expected answers for or she'd want a divorce out of me as well.

These changes are what I wanted to talk about with her just before the holidays. It's really too bad because our relationship could have improved. She gave up though and stopped caring.
That's exactly what happened. She probably still loves you very much. Unfortunately, she doesn't realize that requires her to be honest with you, possibly even just herself. If she is rationalizing this as your fault, then she's got the problem, not you.

Yes, "it takes two to tango," but when it comes to a relationship, someone who does not want to work through problems, and force the other person to "just deal with it without explanation or consideration," shouldn't expect it to work out. I honestly hope she realizes this. But if she doesn't, and she blames you for this saying "you kicked her out," just come back to the truth that she couldn't even be remotely honest with you.

And that's how you get past it, including if anyone else wants to judge.
 

Montrealman

Love comes and goes but FreeOnes is forever.
Just got back from the Ace Frehley show. Everything I could have hope for and more but GODDAMMN it was loud and NO I'm not too old. The venue it was at has a history for having a muffed sound. I can't hear shit, at least nothing high pitched.

Man I miss my girl. Been seeing a few girls and going on dates but yeah I think of her still. Just....missing her I guess.
 

pancha

Would you hit it?
you'll find someone that will make you feel better and you'll be alright. Took me a long time. Not to say I don't think about that ex, just not "man I miss her" kind of thoughts. hang in there bud, you'll be just fine!
 

Montrealman

Love comes and goes but FreeOnes is forever.
So now she calls & e-mails ME asking to meet. Now she's the one who needs closure? I have never been so confused about someone in my entire life. She was comparing her new relationship with the one we had and it seems she's starting to see it was all very good with me. I just don't get it. Where'a a bus to jump in front of when you need one.
 

Fresno

Less than 1,000 posts away from my free Freeones T-shirt
Sorry to hear about your girl. but if you love her you will forgive her.

I've been marred for 7yrs and 2yrs ago my wife cheated on me and left me for him.

she is just now filing the devoice papers

But I lover her still and would take her back in a blink of an eye.

I gave her my heart and she still has it.

sorry got off your topic. reading treads like makes me sad, why can't people just be good to each other.
 

Montrealman

Love comes and goes but FreeOnes is forever.
I forgave her fresno, I did. I just can't forget, I've learned a lot through this ordeal. A lot about myself, about her and about peple's dirty ways of getting a chick. I think it's a lowlife's way to do things. It sucks.
 

Member2019

1,000 posts to go for my own user title!
So now she calls & e-mails ME asking to meet. Now she's the one who needs closure? I have never been so confused about someone in my entire life.
Don't let it confuse you. She is an inconsiderate bitch, sorry about the word, but it's the truth here ladies. Don't say it to her (just in your mind), you don't want to give her that "excuse" for closure, just ignore her and avoid her in general.

If she needs "closure" she needs to find it without you. Stop "being there for her." Ask her if she's in trouble or needs help, and if it's not something very serious like that, tell her you can't be there for her, she's already chosen who she wants for that.

She was comparing her new relationship with the one we had and it seems she's starting to see it was all very good with me. I just don't get it.
No, you get it, she doesn't. She's just a fool. Just forget her for now. If she really wants only you, she will come back. Until then, she wants you, and another guy, and possibly yet another guy, etc... Do you really want to be part of that?

From what you told me, you did not.

Where'a a bus to jump in front of when you need one.
Dude, don't talk like that. It's clear you're not letting go enough. It's hard, I know, but you should be able to justify it easily.

The woman you loved is gone. Honestly, this is truth. She may come back, but based on everything you've told me, she's no longer around right now, and hasn't been for a long time.

Focus on that and it becomes pretty simple.

The only other, two (2) choices you have are ...

1. With Emotion: Being just "one of the guys" she loves. She has multiple relationships and lovers, you being one of them. From what you told me, you don't want that.

2. With no emotion: She might want you as a "fuck buddy," possibly in the hope of emotion (trying to get you to be #1). Use her as a "fuck buddy" and don't give her #1. From what you told me, you don't want that either.

Neither #1 or #2 are wrong, as long as you are honest with yourself and her about them. But I assume you don't want either. That only leaves what I've been trying to tell you.

The woman you loved is no longer around, and hasn't been for some time. Whether she comes back or not will not be based on what you do, but what she does. She may never.
 

bodie54

If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
Now she's the one who needs closure?

LOL That's rich coming from her, isn't it? :rolleyes:
Here's hoping this is one need of hers you won't feel compelled to satisfy.

Whether she comes back or not will not be based on what you do, but what she does. She may never.

for MM's sake I hope she never does.

I gave her my heart and she still has it.

Time to take it back, Fresno. She doesn't deserve it.
 

Sherlock_Holmes

What can I buy for 100 FreeOnes points?
I really don't see any way of things ever being good again if you were to get back with her. I'm having a hard time dealing with issues with my girl and it's just over chatting (as far as I know), if I found out it was anything physical I could never get over that and the relationship could never work.
It sounds like you were getting back on track, don't let this girl get your head screwed up all over again. I read through this entire thread and there is no way she deserves another shot. She went and had her fun and now is thinking she wants what she had before? I would tell her good luck with her life and move on. Find someone for yourself that doesn't need to explore other options before she realizes how important you are.
 

LBP 76

Hey babe, wanna get lucky?
- marriage is for the weak
- there are two sides to every coin
- never go to a porn forum/chat room for advice on women (outside of pornstars/strippers/hookers)
 

LBP 76

Hey babe, wanna get lucky?
- marriage is for the weak
- there are two sides to every coin
- never go to a porn forum/chat room for advice on women (outside of pornstars/strippers/hookers)

I just noticed that this thread is not about marriage. So my marriage comment was 'me bad'.
 

Montrealman

Love comes and goes but FreeOnes is forever.
Thank god for you guys.
Read everything, Prof, she said she missed me a lot, she said she misses a lot of the connection we had, seems to have lost more than gained with the douchebag, she told me he did come clean toher and admitted he had no respect for the relationship I had with her but she STILL decides to stay with him? Fuck THAT.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Thank god for you guys.
Read everything, Prof, she said she missed me a lot, she said she misses a lot of the connection we had, seems to have lost more than gained with the douchebag, she told me he did come clean toher and admitted he had no respect for the relationship I had with her but she STILL decides to stay with him? Fuck THAT.

So..it's over? If it was me and she left, it would have been.

Where's the thread on why girls like bad boy?


Girls love bad boys. :D
 

Montrealman

Love comes and goes but FreeOnes is forever.
Yeah I read that one and it makes perfect sense.
I have now become the asshole. Thanks Will !
 

Member2019

1,000 posts to go for my own user title!
Thank god for you guys.
Read everything, Prof, she said she missed me a lot, she said she misses a lot of the connection we had, seems to have lost more than gained with the douchebag, she told me he did come clean toher and admitted he had no respect for the relationship I had with her but she STILL decides to stay with him? Fuck THAT.
Then point out to her that it would be even worse if you didn't talk to her. Tell her you care about her and will still "be there for her" if she has an accident or other, critical situation, but she can't be relying on you as you were before.

- marriage is for the weak
Then I'm weak. I'm a sucker to my wife. I can't get enough of her. I'm her slave.

And I do not remotely see this as a negative. But that's just my relationship of almost 15 years. ;)

- there are two sides to every coin
Of course, and if you read back through my posts, you'll see I was there on that. I criticized many of his moves, and made assumptions on the "worst things" he could have done with her.

Still doesn't change my posts.

- never go to a porn forum/chat room for advice on women (outside of pornstars/strippers/hookers)
What about other topics? Not trying to tangent, but to provide an example, I just saw you giving out your opinions in a thread on "missile defense." So why is that topic applicable, but not this one?

I.e., Don't criticize this avenue just because it is allegedly "wrong" or "not pertinent" or "doesn't matter" as an option for outlet and feedback.

This is a social board. Whether it formally discusses politics or fucking doesn't matter. Yes, over 50% of people on this board believed the moon landings were faked, and there are other attitudes to consider.

But it doesn't mean it's any less of an avenue for help than any other "social" board. We're not lawyers or psychs, but that's no different than any other social board.

This board is not just visited by those who use only pornstars/strippers/hookers, but people who actually have lust, desire and appreciation for things of a sexual nature. They happen to be very normal people in many cases, just like any other social board.
 
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