Should the U.S. healthcare bill be repealed?

[Facetious]

Listen for 5 seconds ... I cringe!


I sure as hell hope that it's repealed, otherwise we'll all end up with shitty substandard healthcare services . . or non services as the case will most certainly be.


Most of the democrats who were in favor of this healthcare disaster were in favor of it simply because it would fulfill their social imperative that all things must be equal, fuck that !

 

[Straight Shooter]

Amen Anthony:clap:

 

[dbradford8589]

1,990 pages that everyone admitted not reading and they passed it anyway, yes I hope they repeal it and take a better approach to reform.

 

[bustybbwlover]

no because if democrats and republicans start repealing everything they disagree with that the other does, shits gonna get more fucked up than it already is

 

[busaguy79]

It looks good on paper but we can't afford it and really like all government runned agencies, it doesn't work too well!

Just allow more insuance companies to offer medical and health insurance and let them battle it out for customers, prices will drop!

No to Communism yes to Capitalism!!!

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

If I'd read the 2300+ pages of it, I would say one way or another. Anyone got the Sparknotes version?

 

[Nester6]

1,990 pages that everyone admitted not reading and they passed it anyway, yes I hope they repeal it and take a better approach to reform.

I agree. Too costly and again, hurting those who work.

 

[Straight Shooter]

The Republicans are using the boogeyman strategy with the health care bill. Where they get this idea of government takeover of healthcare is beyond me. Nobody is taking over your healthcare plan. Offering people tax incentives to people and small businesses to go and buy private insurance isn't government takeover

 

[pool_hustler]

Amen Anthony:clap:

Yep, he nailed it :hatsoff:

But too many aren't listening....they're all too afraid of the great RED MENACE (socialism, communism) the right has peddled for decades; ever since the end of WWII. At base it's the same paranoia that resulted in the McCarthy hearings, along with tens of thousands of killed and maimed in Viet Nam.

 

[Petra]

This is my issue about the bill:

Honestly, I feel that this bill was pushed through by Obama so he could put his "mark" on the presidency. It was a rush job and some members of Congress have even admitted to not reading it through entirely.

Yup, these are the folks we voted to represent our best interests.

So beyond pushing for this bill that we, the people, can't even afford...it failed to address some pretty big key points:

- putting a leash on pharmaceutical companies (sorry, the annual "fee" isn't going to stop them...it'll just make them charge more)
- putting a leash on hospitals and their billing practices

Also, in 2013 there will be a 2.9% excise tax imposed on the sale of medical devices with anything purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax. Great...but who does the government think is going ot pick up that tax? Not the hospitals or clinics needing new equipment...in the end it'll go right back to the people in higher health care costs.

I'm not denying the healthcare system needs a good overhaul but c'mon...something pushed through in months isn't going to work. It's a very expensive bandaid that's only going to make it harder to fix.

 

[Galactic]

Yes it should be repealed.

 

[vodkazvictim]

This is my issue about the bill:

Honestly, I feel that this bill was pushed through by Obama so he could put his "mark" on the presidency. It was a rush job and some members of Congress have even admitted to not reading it through entirely.

Yup, these are the folks we voted to represent our best interests.

So beyond pushing for this bill that we, the people, can't even afford...it failed to address some pretty big key points:

- putting a leash on pharmaceutical companies (sorry, the annual "fee" isn't going to stop them...it'll just make them charge more)
- putting a leash on hospitals and their billing practices

Also, in 2013 there will be a 2.9% excise tax imposed on the sale of medical devices with anything purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax. Great...but who does the government think is going ot pick up that tax? Not the hospitals or clinics needing new equipment...in the end it'll go right back to the people in higher health care costs.

I'm not denying the healthcare system needs a good overhaul but c'mon...something pushed through in months isn't going to work. It's a very expensive bandaid that's only going to make it harder to fix.

If Master Roshi is right about small employers having to pay but big employers getting free medicare for their workers then that's problem #1 right there.
It may not be perfect, but it's a start.
We've always found it ridiculous how the americans can spend so much on a corrupt military yet not care for the health of their populace.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

This is my issue about the bill:

Honestly, I feel that this bill was pushed through by Obama so he could put his "mark" on the presidency. It was a rush job and some members of Congress have even admitted to not reading it through entirely.

Yup, these are the folks we voted to represent our best interests.

EXACTLY!! The rest of the stuff too...but mostly this.

Just like Bush and the Patriot Act, they all seem to need to be remembered for something.

 

[Straight Shooter]

If Master Roshi is right about small employers having to pay but big employers getting free medicare for their workers then that's problem #1 right there.
It may not be perfect, but it's a start.
We've always found it ridiculous how the americans can spend so much on a corrupt military yet not care for the health of their populace.

The health care bill has already begun providing tax credits for small businesses to purchase coverage for their employees. Speaking of businesses, without the full implementation of health-care reform, including tax credits for small businesses to purchase coverage for their employees, businesses will continue to be in big trouble due to fast-rising health care costs.

Without health care reform,small businesses are expected to pay nearly 2.4 trillion dollars over the next ten years in healthcare costs for their workers. With health-care reform, small businesses are expected to save as much as $855 billion, a reduction of 36 percent, money that can be reinvested to grow the economy over the next 10 years, as estimated by Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist Jonathan Gruber.

 

[Master Roshi]

hmmm sorry I don't believe that, you can't exempt the major corporations and make the small businesses pay, that will just kill free-market in the long run, more money will go to the corporations and put the smaller businesses out of work, whatever money that would be saved as a result of a tax incentive would not go to growing the economy, it will just go to the federal reserve to pay off debt which is illegal to begin with in the form of an illegal income tax that there is no written law for, not to mention if america just changed their diet the healthcare costs would decrease dramatically and many degenerative diseases would become very limited and so we could kill 2 birds with 1 stone, wipe out many of these scamming insurance companies (who actually wrote the bill to begin with) and wipe out food corporations like Monsanto who are slowly killing people with the crap they are injecting into our food supply, no matter how you angle the healthcare reform argument, people are gonna have to make a choice, stop eating the crap and taking the drugs that cause many of the health problems to begin with or be up to your necks in medical bills that no amount of reform is going to help you payoff, see thats the problem instead of doctors telling their patients that what they eat has an enormous impact on how they will look and feel, most of the doctors in america today like to rely on prescriptions to solve the problem and the only thing that most of these prescriptions do is create life long patients, there is no cure, there is only more examinations, more drugs, more operations, it never ends because big pharma does not want it to end because they want that constant cash flow, I honestly don't know how so many doctors today can go to work and take pleasure in what they do for a living

 

[Trident1]

The initial aims of Communism were to care for all members of society and what did Communist Russia achieve? it was first into space (yes, Capitalist america was first to the moon, but you may have noticed that we haven't been to the moon in many years... whereas sattelites in space are universally desired and the T37 gave the Germans hell because it was so hard to kill. M4 Sherman tanks were rather easier to kill. American crews referred to them as Ronsons because they lit every time.)

Uhm Vodka what the hell is this doing in a Healthcare thread?:1orglaugh

 

[Facetious]

We're Gonna Let You Die


"Thank you so much for coming this afternoon. I'm so glad to see you, and I would like to be president. Let me tell you a few things on health care. Look, we have the only health-care system in the world that is designed to avoid sick people. [laughter] That's true, and what I'm going to do is I am going to try to reorganize it to be more amenable to treating sick people. But that means you--particularly you young people, particularly you young, healthy people--you're going to have to pay more. [applause] Thank you.

"And by the way, we are going to have to--if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive, so we're going to let you die. [applause]

"Also, I'm going to use the bargaining leverage of the federal government in terms of Medicare, Medicaid--we already have a lot of bargaining leverage--to force drug companies and insurance companies and medical suppliers to reduce their costs. But that means less innovation, and that means less new products and less new drugs on the market, which means you are probably not going to live that much longer than your parents. [applause] Thank you."

source


How the fuck does this troll Robert ''the 3rd'' Reich know how long somebody is or isn't going to live, he isn't an MD.

 

[abejarano12]

No, but it needs more. However both sides need to stop all the shit talking and work hard to work for the people and not for the companies. So until that happen, what we got is what we got.

 

[YMIHERE]

They should repeal the parts of the law that deal with death panels, government take over of medical care and giving Viagra to sex offenders, In other word, the republication should repeal the mythical parts of the health care law that were never part of the medical law. Then they can declare a victory.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Uhm Vodka what the hell is this doing in a Healthcare thread?:1orglaugh

Evidence that when people are working for the greater good rather than for individuals they achieve amazing things.
And I may have gotten slightly carried away :shy: