Shouldn't it be illegal for ....

[Facetious]

Shouldn't it be illegal for .... these new hair drug tester labs to be able to test an anonymous strand of hair for current or past usage of pot or drugs ?

Shouldn't a DNA match blood sample or some type of consent medium be mandatory for these labs to carry on with their business of assaulting the character of people, just because they CAN ? These labs make an enormous amount of money doing what they do, shouldn't there be some legislation to put the brakes on these egregious and intrusive
insurance company protectorates ?

As a general rule, I'm against pre employment drug testing because what I myself or my sub contractors do on a weekend or on vacation doesn't have any bearing on our performance at work. We're adults and we perform as such when on the job. Now, if an employer wishes to conduct on the job sobriety tests to confirm that their employees are sober, I don't have trouble with that because the employees are on company time, but this idea that society and the politicians are allowing for this creepy incrementally encroaching intervention into our lives outside of our employ just has to stop !

What better way is there to be black mailed if you happen to smoke a little pot here and there and some a hole in your family or at work somehow fishes up a strand of your hair solely for the purposes of destroying your character ? Just think of all of the mediums that are available for us to destroy each other these days....... and we're using them because they're convenient, somebody is making a profit doing it and THEY CAN !

What do you think ?


No link for this as it's just a personal op ed that's all.

 

[24788]

Re: Should it be illegal for ....

Totalitarianism? I def spelled that wrong, but I love that kind of view. Government and companies should have limited power. Unless your high or drunk at work they shouldn't really be able to get involved.

Weed helps with depression.

If you run for president. I shall smoke up and vote for you.

Edit - the opposite of totalitarianism. I got the word mixed up with another one.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Shouldn't it be illegal for .... these new hair drug tester labs to be able to test an anonymous strand of hair for current or past usage of pot or drugs ?

Shouldn't a DNA match blood sample or some type of consent medium be mandatory for these labs to carry on with their business of assaulting the character of people, just because they CAN ? These labs make an enormous amount of money doing what they do, shouldn't there be some legislation to put the brakes on these egregious and intrusive
insurance company protectorates ?

As a general rule, I'm against pre employment drug testing because what I myself or my sub contractors do on a weekend or on vacation doesn't have any bearing on our performance at work. We're adults and we perform as such when on the job. Now, if an employer wishes to conduct on the job sobriety tests to confirm that their employees are sober, I don't have trouble with that because the employees are on company time, but this idea that society and the politicians are allowing for this creepy incrementally encroaching intervention into our lives outside of our employ just has to stop !

What better way is there to be black mailed if you happen to smoke a little pot here and there and some a hole in your family or at work somehow fishes up a strand of your hair solely for the purposes of destroying your character ? Just think of all of the mediums that are available for us to destroy each other these days....... and we're using them because they're convenient, somebody is making a profit doing it and THEY CAN !

What do you think ?


No link for this as it's just a personal op ed that's all.

I'm half tempted to disagree with you just on principal.:tongue:

But I won't lol,I agree with you of course on the intrusive drug testing with no evidence of anything before hand done by employers.

Have you heard about the cases where the authorities have DNA from someone that is not a match for crime they are investigating but its so close they feel sure its a relative like a brother.So they then demand the relatives DNA?

 

[JakeSnake]

Yes.

 

[Galactic]

Shouldn't it be illegal for .... these new hair drug tester labs to be able to test an anonymous strand of hair for current or past usage of pot or drugs ?

Shouldn't a DNA match blood sample or some type of consent medium be mandatory for these labs to carry on with their business of assaulting the character of people, just because they CAN ? These labs make an enormous amount of money doing what they do, shouldn't there be some legislation to put the brakes on these egregious and intrusive
insurance company protectorates ?

As a general rule, I'm against pre employment drug testing because what I myself or my sub contractors do on a weekend or on vacation doesn't have any bearing on our performance at work. We're adults and we perform as such when on the job. Now, if an employer wishes to conduct on the job sobriety tests to confirm that their employees are sober, I don't have trouble with that because the employees are on company time, but this idea that society and the politicians are allowing for this creepy incrementally encroaching intervention into our lives outside of our employ just has to stop !

What better way is there to be black mailed if you happen to smoke a little pot here and there and some a hole in your family or at work somehow fishes up a strand of your hair solely for the purposes of destroying your character ? Just think of all of the mediums that are available for us to destroy each other these days....... and we're using them because they're convenient, somebody is making a profit doing it and THEY CAN !

What do you think ?


No link for this as it's just a personal op ed that's all.

Couldn't agree with you any more. What I do in my time is my time, and no one's business except my own, and those I share my time with. This police state we are heading into really has me freaked out man........

 

[Jagger69]

Couldn't agree more, F. Just the continued evolution of Big Brother. Pre-employment drug tests (especially for pot) are an invasion of privacy, plain and simple.

Hypothetical question to the group.....what if I travel to Amsterdam and smoke some dope and then return to the USA for a pre-employment drug test? What I did was in no way illegal. How can I be held accountable as a result and denied a job since I did nothing illegal? Do you think I would have legal grounds upon which to stand?

Interestingly, the company I work for does not do pre-employment or random drug testing. Knowing most of the people I work with fairly intimately, I think I know why. The whole fucking company (including upper management) would be disqualified or fired!

Legalize pot....or at least decriminalize it. Anyone who considers a casual pot smoker to be a criminal needs a serious reality check.

 

[Facetious]

^ Have you read much into the hair testing ? It has prompted my attention that's for sure ! There's just so many creepy sneaky ways that this type of testing can be used against people. All somebody has to do is tweezer a follicle off of your desk etc. and you could be black mailed ! The possibilities are endless !
With any other test you have full knowledge of what's underway, yet with hair, you don't always get to offer consent.





I would think that the government would stop the anonymous sample hair testing not only on the grounds that it's an infringement on personal privacy rights, but because if this thing takes off and the practice isn't regulated to Consent Only, the effects will only increase the ranks of the unemployed, if you follow where I'm going. The govt can't afford to lose taxpayers, particularly at this time.

Taxpayers are assets

The unemployed, (and I don't mean to sound harsh here) both voluntary or involuntary tend to be liabilities.

 

[24788]

Couldn't agree more, F. Just the continued evolution of Big Brother. Pre-employment drug tests (especially for pot) are an invasion of privacy, plain and simple.

Hypothetical question to the group.....what if I travel to Amsterdam and smoke some dope and then return to the USA for a pre-employment drug test? What I did was in no way illegal. How can I be held accountable as a result and denied a job since I did nothing illegal? Do you think I would have legal grounds upon which to stand?

Interestingly, the company I work for does not do pre-employment or random drug testing. Knowing most of the people I work with fairly intimately, I think I know why. The whole fucking company (including upper management) would be disqualified or fired!

Legalize pot....or at least decriminalize it. Anyone who considers a casual pot smoker to be a criminal needs a serious reality check.

You deserve the first hit. *passes blunt*

 

[Hot Mega]

Shouldn't it be illegal for .... these new hair drug tester labs to be able to test an anonymous strand of hair for current or past usage of pot or drugs ?

Shouldn't a DNA match blood sample or some type of consent medium be mandatory for these labs to carry on with their business of assaulting the character of people, just because they CAN ? These labs make an enormous amount of money doing what they do, shouldn't there be some legislation to put the brakes on these egregious and intrusive
insurance company protectorates ?

As a general rule, I'm against pre employment drug testing because what I myself or my sub contractors do on a weekend or on vacation doesn't have any bearing on our performance at work. We're adults and we perform as such when on the job. Now, if an employer wishes to conduct on the job sobriety tests to confirm that their employees are sober, I don't have trouble with that because the employees are on company time, but this idea that society and the politicians are allowing for this creepy incrementally encroaching intervention into our lives outside of our employ just has to stop !

What better way is there to be black mailed if you happen to smoke a little pot here and there and some a hole in your family or at work somehow fishes up a strand of your hair solely for the purposes of destroying your character ? Just think of all of the mediums that are available for us to destroy each other these days....... and we're using them because they're convenient, somebody is making a profit doing it and THEY CAN !

What do you think ?


No link for this as it's just a personal op ed that's all.

I'm probably one of the biggest privacy type guys here but if they're testing anonymous hair for evidence of illicit drug use...who's privacy is violated if the hair is anonymous? Unless one of us misunderstands what the case is here...if they don't know who the hair is from, all they have is some result with no one to link it to.

Secondly, as a person who's held jobs that required clearances, including TS...there is nothing I hated worse than having to live my private life for my professional life. That said, I think it would be worth it for an employer to know if one of their candidates for employment had a recent history with cocaine or heroin (among other drugs).

I think illicit drugs ought to be legalized. However, I understand why certain employers wouldn't want employees with recent histories of engaging in certain behavior (to include use of illicit drugs) doing certain jobs.

 

[Rey C.]

It's the anonymous nature of this testing that confuses me. What good with that do, other than to indicate if a member of some population was using drugs?

 

[Kil4Thril]

Couldn't agree more, F. Just the continued evolution of Big Brother. Pre-employment drug tests (especially for pot) are an invasion of privacy, plain and simple.

Hypothetical question to the group.....what if I travel to Amsterdam and smoke some dope and then return to the USA for a pre-employment drug test? What I did was in no way illegal. How can I be held accountable as a result and denied a job since I did nothing illegal? Do you think I would have legal grounds upon which to stand?

Interestingly, the company I work for does not do pre-employment or random drug testing. Knowing most of the people I work with fairly intimately, I think I know why. The whole fucking company (including upper management) would be disqualified or fired!

Legalize pot....or at least decriminalize it. Anyone who considers a casual pot smoker to be a criminal needs a serious reality check.

I was sitting here thinking the same thing. Depending on what they were testing for, every person I work with (around 100) would fail some sort of drug test save for the 2 pregnant girls. Steroids, painkillers, coke, and marijuana just off the top of my head. They have only given out 1 drug test, and that was because a guy got hurt while drunk at work- it covered their ass (note: they WON'T allow you to be fucked up on the clock, but on your time, have fun)

 

[usmc071984]

honestly i dont mind any of this drug testing shit. cause i dont do drugs. but i would prefer it if they just drew our blood or took hair. i find it demeaning and humiliating when they make you stand at a 45 degree angle at a urinal with your shirt off to allow them to see the urine leaving the head, especially when there is that stage fright once in a while and the harassment starts... degrading as all hell.... but my moaning about it here wont change a thing....

 

[Hot Mega]

honestly i dont mind any of this drug testing shit. cause i dont do drugs. but i would prefer it if they just drew our blood or took hair. i find it demeaning and humiliating when they make you stand at a 45 degree angle at a urinal with your shirt off to allow them to see the urine leaving the head, especially when there is that stage fright once in a while and the harassment starts... degrading as all hell.... but my moaning about it here wont change a thing....

Urinalysis is just the cheapest. Most private companies who administer tests at work sites (in the civilian world) just take a swab from inside your mouth.

Would you mind drug testing if you did illicit drugs? IMO, your perspective on it shouldn't be based on your personal lifestyle. I personally don't do illicit drugs but I'm pro choice on it.

 

[usmc071984]

pro choice is nice, but the military doesnt really give a flying fuck what id prefer.

 

[Will E Worm]

Shouldn't it be illegal for .... these new hair drug tester labs to be able to test an anonymous strand of hair for current or past usage of pot or drugs ?

Mandatory drug testing or physicals are not legal.

Invasion of privacy.

The only way to stop them is to turn down any job that requires them.
That will put a stop to them quickly.

 

[Hot Mega]

pro choice is nice, but the military doesnt really give a flying fuck what id prefer.

Huh? What does that have to.....uh, never mind.

Mandatory drug testing or physicals are not legal.

Invasion of privacy.

The only way to stop them is to turn down any job that requires them.
That will put a stop to them quickly.

Of course they're not mandatory. They are conditional....well, I should say jobs that require them are conditional.

The only thing "mandatory" in life is ironically that we die...everything else is conditional. A person theoretically doesn't have to do shit...ever but die.

 

[calpoon]

From a legal standpoint...No, it should not be illegal.

Sorry. I don't like it either, but there is no precedent outlawing it. The so-called right to privacy only applies to what you do on your own property or what the powers of the government are for the purposes of law enforcement.

A company may choose any criteria it wishes to gauge employee performance, granted that it complies with federal anti-discrimination, harassment and job safety laws. None of these apply to your "right" to do drugs.

As HM says, it is voluntary. No one is going to test you without your consent and you have the right to refuse to take the test. Of course your job has the right to fire you or not hire you if you don't comply with their procedures.

Facism is not just for the commies, it is just as much about good old fashion free market capitalists trying to control every facet of society and individual liberty.

 

[meesterperfect]

I agree and disagree.
I think it should be mandatory only for people who's jobs involve the safety of the general public such as drivers, pilots things of that nature.
For others no. Illegal and an invasion of privacy.

The problem is what factors make a job a "public safety" issue, how far will it be taken.

 

[calpoon]

Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean that it is illegal.

If you really care you can get a petition going and send it to your state rep, maybe you can get a ballot initiative up for vote, then it can be made illegal.

But I wouldn't hold my breath. Corporate payouts seem to get more headway with politicians than a bunch of angry stoners.

 

[Will E Worm]

I agree and disagree.
I think it should be mandatory only for people who's jobs involve the safety of the general public such as drivers, pilots things of that nature.
For others no. Illegal and an invasion of privacy.

:hatsoff:

The problem is what factors make a job a "public safety" issue, how far will it be taken.

They would take it too far. So, it can't be legal for any reason.