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Taliban video shows captive US soldier

don_equis

This spot is for sale!
My best wishes and prayers are with him and his family, I want this to be a happy ending and we don't get to have a lot of those these days.

That war is turning very very ugly, creeps me out more than Iraq did, perharps because the terrain is so rugged?
 

Galactic

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
My best wishes and prayers are with him and his family, I want this to be a happy ending and we don't get to have a lot of those these days.

That war is turning very very ugly, creeps me out more than Iraq did, perharps because the terrain is so rugged?

Exactly........we are hunting rats in holes across many, many miles of terrain.......there is no good end to this......the U.S.S.R. tried it and failed........I want our boys and girls home now. Enough of this nonsense.
 

Spleen

Banned?
The chances of them letting him go are low. Sad but true.
 

Facetious

Moderated
My heart aches for this patriot. He will certainly be in our thoughts and we hope for his safe release. We have to think positively !


On the Taliban :

Scum of the earth ! Despotic ghouls !

I look at the goings on today of this seemingly perpetual, "more sensitive war", in
the words of senator John Kerry, today and I have to seek answers retrospectively - Had this been 1944, we would have eliminated these assholes in the initial confrontation, but NO, we've evolved into a nation that has essentially entangled ourselves with the sensitivities of the "world community".
If it needs to be reiterated, America had performed her best less all of the tethers of the u.n., the neo Army field manual, embedded reporters, the jackassery of those who would offer known combatant captives the same rights as American citizens, and the idealistic - collectivist - wimpy - reeducated all things equal mindset of many younger people these days.

How did America (or Americans) get so godam permeated with the mindset that we should be ashamed of our individual past successes and therefore, we should deconstruct, if you will, to a more level playing field ? Any ideas just where that came from ? For one, I would appraise that it came in part from Modern academia. Any others you would like to add ?

Which brings me to this :
What is our objective in Afghanistan today ?
Other than the afghan opiate poppy, what threats do these Taliban scum pose ? Do they pose an immediate threat to America and or our greater allies ?
What the hell are we going to do with the captives is another question all together !

If the objective includes safely capturing each individual combatant only to give them a most respectful interview, an ethnic meal, as well as a refresher class to remind them that America means them no harm ; we just wanna be friends and we would like for them to join hands in a human chain of a greater world community, or in a word, behave and part on our merry ways, we're just ƒµçked !


Either fight, as fiercely and as swiftly as possible, less all of the political sensitivities & win or cut bait and get the hell out of there altogether.

thanks for reading
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Which brings me to this :
What is our objective in Afghanistan today ?
Other than the afghan opiate poppy, what threats do these Taliban scum pose ? Do they pose an immediate threat to America and or our greater allies ?
What the hell are we going to do with the captives is another question all together !

If the objective includes safely capturing each individual combatant only to give them a most respectful interview, an ethnic meal, as well as a refresher class to remind them that America means them no harm ; we just wanna be friends and we would like for them to join hands in a human chain of a greater world community, or in a word, behave and part on our merry ways, we're just ƒµçked !

Either fight, as fiercely and as swiftly as possible, less all of the political sensitivities & win or cut bait and get the hell out of there altogether.

thanks for reading

Our objective being in Afghanistan is to route a criminal cabal who's virtual manifesto is to bring harm to America, her people and those who side with us against their extremist destruction. To the extent that we are waging war against the Taliban..they were the regime who were not only aiding and abetting this criminal syndicate but they joined forces with them....You know like when a fugitive is hold up in a friends home and the friend knocks out a window and takes up arms to help fend off officers there to execute a duly authorized arrest warrant? Sort of like that.

Well now, just because this guy and his friend are putting up a fierce fight and have managed to kill a few officers in the process...you don't just pack up, return to the station and give them a pass. You commit whatever force necessary to bring them to justice. Now it's possible they won't get their day in court as they are armed, dangerous and highly resistant. Because of that, they could be killed first. If they are not and either surrender or are otherwise captured..then because we're not savages nor criminals, we deliver them for their day to face justice.

Now this fella and his friend who are still putting up a fierce battle may have been taken down long before now had the Police Chief not underestimated their will and capability. In so doing, the Chief decided he had another priority and pulled much needed resources off the case. The Chief so certain that another fellow in the same neighborhood possessed illegal assault weapons, that he conspires to take anecdotal evidence and "sweeten" it up to look like probable cause evidence in order to secure warrants against this individual and his properties.

Needless to say the Chief diverts much need manpower and resources trying to hunt down this guy, his associates and search is many properties only to find this guy doesn't have the contraband he's alleged to have possessed.

A new Chief comes in and says we should have never done such a thing and certainly never should have taken the focus off of these two, known killers that are now giving us a helluva time trying to bring them to justice. He rededicates his police force in more numbers to end the impasse knowing full well that an increased assault on these individuals will likely come at a cost of more casualties. But these killers not only need to be brought to justice, if they are not they've shown the commitment to kill again.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Our objective being in Afghanistan is to route a criminal cabal who's virtual manifesto is to bring harm to America, her people and those who side with us against their extremist destruction. To the extent that we are waging war against the Taliban..they were the regime who were not only aiding and abetting this criminal syndicate but they joined forces with them....You know like when a fugitive is hold up in a friends home and the friend knocks out a window and takes up arms to help fend off officers there to execute a duly authorized arrest warrant? Sort of like that.

Well now, just because this guy and his friend are putting up a fierce fight and have managed to kill a few officers in the process...you don't just pack up, return to the station and give them a pass. You commit whatever force necessary to bring them to justice. Now it's possible they won't get their day in court as they are armed, dangerous and highly resistant. Because of that, they could be killed first. If they are not and either surrender or are otherwise captured..then because we're not savages nor criminals, we deliver them for their day to face justice.

Now this fella and his friend who are still putting up a fierce battle may have been taken down long before now had the Police Chief not underestimated their will and capability. In so doing, the Chief decided he had another priority and pulled much needed resources off the case. The Chief so certain that another fellow in the same neighborhood possessed illegal assault weapons, that he conspires to take anecdotal evidence and "sweeten" it up to look like probable cause evidence in order to secure warrants against this individual and his properties.

Needless to say the Chief diverts much need manpower and resources trying to hunt down this guy, his associates and search is many properties only to find this guy doesn't have the contraband he's alleged to have possessed.

A new Chief comes in and says we should have never done such a thing and certainly never should have taken the focus off of these two, known killers that are now giving us a helluva time trying to bring them to justice. He rededicates his police force in more numbers to end the impasse knowing full well that an increased assault on these individuals will likely come at a cost of more casualties. But these killers not only need to be brought to justice, if they are not they've shown the commitment to kill again.


^The names have been changed to protect the innocent....and the guilty.


I guess things aren't going to bad in afgahnistan because I haven't
seen much news coverage on it.
Either that or nothings happening.


What facetious is saying is either get in there with the necessary amount of troops and resources and get the job done.
Or just get out and hope for the best.
Don't make it a long, drawn out thing in which many die in vain.
Take care of business as we are capable of.

Iraq was a different story.
There the job was done swiftly (taking out saddam), but there was no stopping the sociopathic nut jobs from going into that country and blowing up and killing soldiers and civillians by the thousands.
i guess there was just too many of them in too great an area to control.
Considering they still don't have a functioning GOV and wer'e still there demonstrates that I believe.

Should the people involved in making the decision to go into Iraq (democrats and republicans) should have seen that coming? I would say so.

My anger however is towards the people responsible for the actual killings, anfd the chaos rather than simply the PREZ and vice Prez,
Which is the general attitude of the people in the USA and the world.

An example is the father of Nick Berg who was decapitated on video.
Bergs father publicly blamed Bush , but not the men who actually did the horrible act.
Same goes to Cindy Sheehan.
For some reason though todays people like to blame their own before the actual perpetrators

Anyway, I hope this guy is treated well and not murdered.
If he is, doesn't that show that these people are sub human and don't deserve any sympathy regarding their treatment in our hands.
 

tittenman

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Sad story as it is, and I hope that there is a peaceful solution to this, but this is a war situation after all. The American soldiers went to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban and to kill where necessary. Considering the reasons they are there, can we at all surprised if the Taliban capture and kill, after all are they going to be rolling out the red carpet for the American troops? No of course not.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
No man but you don't video tape them or abuse or kill prisoners either.
yes it is whats expected by them but its also sickening right?
 

tittenman

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
No man but you don't video tape them or abuse or kill prisoners either.
yes it is whats expected by them but its also sickening right?

Of course its not right I never said that I condoned their (Talebans) actions in anyway shape or form, the point I was trying to make was we cant expect the Taleban to behave in any civilized manner what so ever. Their one an only aim in all of this will be purely to get as much media coverage as they can. Unfortunately rightly or wrongly these types of images sell far more news papers and get much more news coverage under the circumstances, hence giving them the limelight they wish to attain.
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
^The names have been changed to protect the innocent....and the guilty.

No. Just what I believe to be apt analogies to explain in elementary terms to those who apparently have miconceptions and confusion on these situations.

I guess things aren't going to bad in afgahnistan because I haven't
seen much news coverage on it.
Either that or nothings happening.

You haven't been following the news I suppose? When there is a newsworthy event, it's covered. How else are we even discussing this thread??

What facetious is saying is either get in there with the necessary amount of troops and resources and get the job done.
Or just get out and hope for the best.
Don't make it a long, drawn out thing in which many die in vain.
Take care of business as we are capable of.

Well unlike his predecessor who created a boogeyman in Saddam and cared more about the two bit despot who didn't even control a majority of his own country let alone being a threat to us, Obama has pledged to do exactly that. I still can't believe people allowed Bush and his clowns to run around alleging Iraq was the central front in the GWOT with a straight face...even if it was, no accountability for this jackass and Darth Sidious making it so. "Thanks GWB".


Iraq was a different story.
There the job was done swiftly (taking out saddam), but there was no stopping the sociopathic nut jobs from going into that country and blowing up and killing soldiers and civillians by the thousands.
i guess there was just too many of them in too great an area to control.
Considering they still don't have a functioning GOV and wer'e still there demonstrates that I believe.

Should the people involved in making the decision to go into Iraq (democrats and republicans) should have seen that coming? I would say so.

You got one thing right, "Iraq was a different story" in the sense that we didn't need to go there. There was NO imminent threat from that regime nor anyone within it's borders they were harboring. And we defeated the standing armies (if you want to call them that) of both countries easily. That should have never been in question for anyone with common sense. The questions with respect to Iraq were, were they an imminent threat and would we be "greeted as liberators"?? Which was the first mistake and reasoning behind sending in as few troops as possible....which ultimately cost lives.

Many correctly suggested we wouldn't be and we would merely cut the thread that kept sectarian violence at bay. Well, we certainly pulled that off.

For all of our efforts, lives and ransom all we accomplished was delivering Saddam to his political and religious enemies, killing his sons, killing a bunch of Iraqs who are no less patriotic to their country's sovereignty than many of us are to ours and inadvertently killing untold numbers of innocent Iraqis. Oh yeah, some number of terrorist who likely wouldn't have been there in the first place without our presence. Seems worth it to give them a "democracy" that they could simply reject on their own terms at some point in the future. Simply put, when you don't earn a democracy it's hard to appreciate it.

My anger however is towards the people responsible for the actual killings, anfd the chaos rather than simply the PREZ and vice Prez,
Which is the general attitude of the people in the USA and the world.

An example is the father of Nick Berg who was decapitated on video.
Bergs father publicly blamed Bush , but not the men who actually did the horrible act.
Same goes to Cindy Sheehan.
For some reason though todays people like to blame their own before the actual perpetrators

With respect to Nick Berg, he assumed the risk and his demise was unfortunate. As far as Bush and co. go, certainly the bulk of blame goes to them for pursuing and creating the circumstance in Iraq.
Anyway, I hope this guy is treated well and not murdered.
If he is, doesn't that show that these people are sub human and don't deserve any sympathy regarding their treatment in our hands.

I hope for Pfc. Bergdahl what I hope for any and all US and allied captives...that they are rescued and their fate is not left up to the whims and or brutality of their captors.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?

CunningStunts

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
I hope it turns out ok for this kid, but I'm not optimistic...
 

~~whimsy~~

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I wish the red tape would be cut, the political correctness be taken away, the sensitivity towards the enemy be gone, and we go in there and capture who we need, kill the rest of those terrorists, and keep the world safer because for every one terrorist being dead is one less attack, capture, murder, or bombing!

Cut the crap and get rid of Islamic extremists!

I'm tired of seeing our military over there while politicians over here are "worried" about the war but not doing anything to improve it! Let the military do their jobs and go in and bomb, shoot, and get rid of the enemy! We been there for too long when in reality if the politicians would stay out of military affairs and just let them do what they need to do in the time of war and the politicians to only supply them with what they need, we would have been done and more!

Ah well, nothing no one hasn't heard before, but still, it gets me riled up. Especially now that again one of our men are in the hands of these fucking scum of the world!
 

thebear247

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
wow this is sad to many innocent lifes being changed cus of this war
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I wish the red tape would be cut, the political correctness be taken away, the sensitivity towards the enemy be gone, and we go in there and capture who we need, kill the rest of those terrorists, and keep the world safer because for every one terrorist being dead is one less attack, capture, murder, or bombing!

Cut the crap and get rid of Islamic extremists!

I'm tired of seeing our military over there while politicians over here are "worried" about the war but not doing anything to improve it! Let the military do their jobs and go in and bomb, shoot, and get rid of the enemy! We been there for too long when in reality if the politicians would stay out of military affairs and just let them do what they need to do in the time of war and the politicians to only supply them with what they need, we would have been done and more!

Ah well, nothing no one hasn't heard before, but still, it gets me riled up. Especially now that again one of our men are in the hands of these fucking scum of the world!

You think the military is not doing everything they can to fulfill what you call for??

The military would have likely done just what you ask if the previous administration hadn't underestimated the nature of the fight and went to chase Saddam around Tikrit. This thing would have likely been a much different thing had our elected leaders who formulated the policy took it seriously and not just as an excuse to invade another country.

The military's hands aren't tied and they don't want to be there a second longer than they have to....I expect the current administration will do everything possible to end the Taliban as we know it and eliminate AQ.
 

jasonk282

Banned
The main problem with the Taliban is that they are leading attacks from Pakistan, knowing that the US will not chase them.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
With respect to Nick Berg, he assumed the risk and his demise was unfortunate. As far as Bush and co. go, certainly the bulk of blame goes to them for pursuing and creating the circumstance in Iraq.
QUOTE]
So I can go to Iraq and blow up a school full of kids, a catholic church or a synogogue and the bulk of the blame will be Bush and companys?

wow this is sad to many innocent lifes being changed cus of this war
Which war? And who's fault is that?
You think the military is not doing everything they can to fulfill what you call for??

The military would have likely done just what you ask if the previous administration hadn't underestimated the nature of the fight and went to chase Saddam around Tikrit. This thing would have likely been a much different thing had our elected leaders who formulated the policy took it seriously and not just as an excuse to invade another country.

The military's hands aren't tied and they don't want to be there a second longer than they have to....I expect the current administration will do everything possible to end the Taliban as we know it and eliminate AQ.

Well theres no better time than the present. wheres all this action now?
Or is Obama and his "czars" too busy reconstructing the government, its policys and who pays for what/who while spending unprecidented amounts of money?
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
With respect to Nick Berg, he assumed the risk and his demise was unfortunate. As far as Bush and co. go, certainly the bulk of blame goes to them for pursuing and creating the circumstance in Iraq.
QUOTE]
So I can go to Iraq and blow up a school full of kids, a catholic church or a synogogue and the bulk of the blame will be Bush and companys?

Well if a country has governmental structure in place that has prevented such things from happening in the past, you go in, destroy that infrastructure and are unable to deliver the same such protection you just did away with...who's fault do you think it is??? ESPECIALLY if you did so fraudulently or erroneously.

Well theres no better time than the present. wheres all this action now?
Or is Obama and his "czars" too busy reconstructing the government, its policys and who pays for what/who while spending unprecidented amounts of money?

I suppose you'd just have to follow the news...:dunno:

Obama sending 17,000 troops to Afghanistan

(AFP) – Feb 17, 2009
WASHINGTON (AFP) — In his first major military move, President Barack Obama Tuesday approved the deployment of 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan, saying they were needed "to stabilize a deteriorating situation."
"There is no more solemn duty as president than the decision to deploy our armed forces into harm's way," Obama said in a statement.

"I do it today mindful that the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan demands urgent attention and swift action."

Obama said the deployment orders were in response to a months-old request by the US commander in Afghanistan, General David McKiernan, who had asked for 30,000 more troops.

"To meet urgent security needs," Obama said he had approved a request by US Defense Secretary Robert Gates to deploy a Marine Expeditionary Brigade in the spring and an Army Stryker Brigade and support forces later this summer.

The White House said some 17,000 troops will deploy to Afghanistan ahead of the Afghan elections scheduled for August 20, significantly building up the 38,000 US force already on the ground battling a growing insurgency.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPeL2Giw3nO13chHDgI2awqnNAuw
 
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