Tax Hikes Coming in 2011

[titsrock]

The first 10 words of Art. I Sect. 8 of the US constitution;

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes"

Let me speak on behalf of WillE:
"Believe what you will. :yinyang:"

This phrase really is useful after all.....thanks WillE:wave2:

 

[NavyBlue]

All those people who thinks fixing the economy, paying for 2 wars, and all those government programs can be paid by massive tax cuts and slashing money from schools, health care, etc need to take a reality pill. Yes tax sucks, always is, but the economy is at its lowest point since the Great Depression and most states are bankrupt. Tax will happen no matter who's in charge.

 

[Will E Worm]

The first 10 words of Art. I Sect. 8 of the US constitution;

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes"

Section 9. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.

That doesn't give them the right to tax us to death and they are.

Also, under that sentance you provided there are many more words.
To set up the Federal Reserve and to impose an income tax is not one of them.

A few things other things in the Constitution and Bill of Rights that are not being followed:

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;


No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state.

No money shall be drawn from the treasury.

Section 10. No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

So, why do churches have to be 501c3 to be tax exempt?

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

So, why is the government in the states buisness?

The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

New Orlens gun confiscations, the Brady Bill, and so on.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Wire tapping, illegal searches, do I need to go on?

 

[Will E Worm]

Also, you need to watch: America: Freedom to Fascism. Video

• The Federal Reserve System is unconstitutional and has maxed out the national debt and bankrupted the United States government.
  
• Federal income taxes were imposed in response to, or as part of, the plan implementing the Federal Reserve System.
  
• Federal income taxes are unconstitutional or otherwise legally invalid.
  
• The use of the Federal income tax to counter the economic effects of the Federal Reserve System is futile.

America: Freedom to Fascism

 

[meesterperfect]

whoever didn't see it coming from the first day that this guy got popular and surpassed hillary is just plain blind or naive.
this guy wants everyone equal economically..
doesn't mater if you work your ass off or just live off those who do and sit at home enjoying your freedom while collecting a check for having children out of wedlock.
its payback time,
time to pay for something that was done way before any of us were alive.
revenge is a suitable word.

its like the OJ verdict on a nationwide level.

be a jerk, go to work.
my advice for you young guys, find a dependant personality type beast, knock her up a few times, and hide when the social services people come knockin.
thats the best future you have with these people running/changing things.
or go to work and try to succeeed, fail to do that because of the overwhelming tax burden, and wind up broke and alone

 

[Hot Mega]

Section 9. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.

What does that have to do with the discussion....assuming you understand what you posted is in reference to??

How can you say that Federal Income Tax (while distasteful to me) is "illegal" when the Constitution authorizes Congress to "lay and collect taxes"??

You seem to be hung up on the notion (as are many who misread Art. I Sect. 8) that it doesn't specifically spell out income tax. That's irrelevant. If it doesn't specify what may not be taxed then anything is subject to taxation under Art. I, Sect. 8.

This is along the same lines of how some misread the legality of water boarding. Because the doctrines that relate to torture don't specify water boarding then by default, water boarding must not illegal. That's absurd.

Just like Art. I, Sect. 8 need not spell out every possibility of what is subject to taxation....Doctrines relating to torture don't need to spell out every possible method of torture. I mean, eye gouging isn't expressly prohibited by doctrine but most people with common sense know it's torture...which is illegal.

The ability "to lay and collect taxes" presupposes there is something to tax. What would taxation apply to in their ability to do so nowadays if not your income??

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Yeah, I saw this news yesterday, I think. Thank God term length for presidents is only 4 to 8 years. I'm pretty sure if democracy is still real (i.e, not some facade, and that our votes really do count) the African Obama will be out of office after the first term. :hatsoff:

 

[georges]

let's hope that the OBAMA administration fails or faces very serious problems and that OBAMA gets empeached, so people will be able to keep their money and not being overtaxed.

 

[Air420]

I just have to laugh people calling Obama a socialist, the guy was elected with massive support and funding from the financial sector and corporate America (if you look at donations, big business loved him much more than McCain). Obama is really a centrist democrat. Now, If Dennis Kucinich had been elected, the man who is hated by business interests, then the we would have a good socialist in power. Obama needs to lean strongly to the left (from his current position) for me to even consider him left wing.

 

[NavyBlue]

let's hope that the OBAMA administration fails or faces very serious problems and that OBAMA gets empeached, so people will be able to keep their money and not being overtaxed.

Right, the only hope for the GOP is having Obama fails in his first term because they have no freaking clue how to turn this mess around themselves. Just keep thinking this way for the next 4 years. If GOP can come up with a real solution then people will listen. Right now nobody outside of the 20% of GOP in the US believe them.

 

[meesterperfect]

Right, the only hope for the GOP is having Obama fails in his first term because they have no freaking clue how to turn this mess around themselves. Just keep thinking this way for the next 4 years. If GOP can come up with a real solution then people will listen. Right now nobody outside of the 20% of GOP in the US believe them.

who knows if they have no clue?
whether they do or not is irrelevant because they have no say in the matter.
these people are doing whatever they want, unchecked.

but that was clear as day the whole time., but the morons voted him in anyway.

they do know that taxing the hell out of every producing person in the country isn't the answer.
any moron knows that, or do they?

 

[Hot Mega]

who knows if they have no clue?

They had 6 straight years to prove they have no clue...no?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

they had 6 straight years to prove they have no clue...no?

9/11

 

[NavyBlue]

They had 6 straight years to prove they have no clue...no?

Exactly. If they have any clue they sure didn't do it when they control both WH and Congress for 6 years, why would they know how to fix the incredible mess they put the country in all of a sudden? Because they aren't in power anymore so they can say whatever they want so they'll look good to the American public. As soon as GOP is in power again the last thing they'll do is fix the country. They'll be too busy handing out tax breaks to the riches and start more wars to feed the Defense's insatiable appetite for money to care.

 

[Air420]

9/11

Is that you Rudy Giuliani?

 

[Magnet]

Simple solution to this?

Get rid of the IRS and make a national sales tax.

Its really pretty simple because the government would be down sizing by getting rid of the IRS so they would need a lot less money and in return people would be taxed on what they SPEND, not what they make. It would also promote more saving and more investing which would allow business to grow.

If the goverment got some brains, abolished the IRS and put in a 16% (+ state tax, etc = 25%) universal sales tax on all money spent (this means getting rid of business taxes)people
1)make more money
2)business would be able to lower prices because they wont have to spend millions on just FILING tax returns
3) would promote investment, causing the economy to grow and bringing in big business

Its funny because if you crunch the numbers you will see this actually works (teacher showed us in Economics class) and a bill has been sitting in congress for 10 years. Huckabee was actually the only person to try and talk about it, but no one wanted to listen.

As long as people (yes Dems and Republicans) keep promising lower taxes to the "lower class" they will never go for this because they know they wont get votes. They arent trying to help this country they are trying to help themselves.

 

[Hot Mega]

Simple solution to this?

Get rid of the IRS and make a national sales tax.

Consumption taxes are inflationary.

 

[Magnet]

Simple solution to this?

Get rid of the IRS and make a national sales tax.

Its really pretty simple because the government would be down sizing by getting rid of the IRS so they would need a lot less money and in return people would be taxed on what they SPEND, not what they make. It would also promote more saving and more investing which would allow business to grow.

If the goverment got some brains, abolished the IRS and put in a 16% (+ state tax, etc = 25%) universal sales tax on all money spent (this means getting rid of business taxes)people
1)make more money
2)business would be able to lower prices because they wont have to spend millions on just FILING tax returns
3) would promote investment, causing the economy to grow and bringing in big business

Its funny because if you crunch the numbers you will see this actually works (teacher showed us in Economics class) and a bill has been sitting in congress for 10 years. Huckabee was actually the only person to try and talk about it, but no one wanted to listen.

As long as people (yes Dems and Republicans) keep promising lower taxes to the "lower class" they will never go for this because they know they wont get votes. They arent trying to help this country they are trying to help themselves.

I forgot to mention, all those people who work under the table (ie: drug dealers) would have to pay their taxes!

 

[Torre82]

what they spend, not what they make.

2)business would be able to lower prices because they wont have to spend millions on just FILING tax returns

Those two lines are just about useless.
Business? Lowering prices? Absofuckinglutely not. They never pass it on to the consumer, they simply EXPAND and make more stores, buy more items, take over other companies with that now-expendable income.

As far as taxing companies and people on what they SPEND.. that's complete utopian BS, I'm sorry to say. If I have more money from my employer, then I can spend it on ANY of the loopholes in the system. Ordering items online has no tax. Importing has no tax. Transferring ownership from one person to the next can be shown or proven as an untaxable event... if it's even reported to whatever NEW bureau is created to police the goings-on of the public. And those companies? THEY BUY FROM OVERSEAS! China doesnt have to adhere to American tax laws. So they're profiting MORE.

 

[Hot Mega]

Business? Lowering prices? Absofuckinglutely not. They never pass it on to the consumer, they simply EXPAND and make more stores, buy more items, take over other companies with that now-expendable income.

No truer words spoken. There are only two marketplace phenomena that lower pricing, competition and demand (lack of).