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The Aftermath of Obama's Health Care Speech (to Congress)

Facetious

Moderated
I like when the "O" asked the crowd :paraphrasing now:

What are they (republicans) doing about solving the health care crisis ? They don't have any answers ?
as if he'd openly invite an opposing viewpoint into the mix... he's just silly, there have been numerous suggestions from Independents, libertarians as well as republicans. Why must he lie ? !

Then, near the end, the "O" said "now is the season to bring the best ideas from both parties togetha"
Oh, yeah, shuuuure .... riiiiiiight !

:D :yinyang: :wave2:
 

thinger

I'm secretly in love with my sister
No one should have to pay for television in the first place.


Do you genuinely believe that all television should come for free, but that everyone, regardless of their means, should have to pay for their healthcare? So... universal cable is more important than universal healthcare?

Is that ACTUALLY what you think? Because I'm having a really hard time understanding why you'd think that.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Thinger:

Health Care was never free.

Television was.

Also, "premium" cable channels cut and censor movies and so on.
Why do we have to pay for what is on "regular" stations?
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I like when the "O" asked the crowd :paraphrasing now:

What are they (republicans) doing about solving the health care crisis ? They don't have any answers ?
as if he'd openly invite an opposing viewpoint into the mix...

GOPers defeated health care reform in '93 took control of congress in '94 (partly on that basis). They have had since '94 until '08 to answer the question Obama recently asked. What had they done to solve the crisis since '94? What answers have they presented since '94?

Thinger:

Health Care was never free.

Nor are the police, fire dept. or your local public school. They are though, there when you need them (mostly) even if you don't use them everyday.
 

CunningStunts

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
GOPers defeated health care reform in '93 took control of congress in '94 (partly on that basis). They have had since '94 until '08 to answer the question Obama recently asked. What had they done to solve the crisis since '94? What answers have they presented since '94?



Nor are the police, fire dept. or your local public school. They are though, there when you need them (mostly) even if you don't use them everyday.

I already pay for my health care, but police and fire are collective goods. Bad analogy.

As for public schools, I pay for that too even though I don't have kids. If I did have kids, depending on where I lived they would most likely go to a private school to get a good education, as most public schools suck, just like most everything the government runs...
 

Hot Mega

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
I already pay for my health care, but police and fire are collective goods. Bad analogy.

Not quite.....I'm not sure what the phrase "collective goods" means but the police and fire dept. provides services...not "goods". The analogy would be if you used your own, private security service and you individually paid a contractor to put out each fire at your home or business instead. But you don't. The government collects taxes from you to pay for those services to be available to you when you and others need them....even the people who don't pay into them. Just like schooling. And while you do make some pretty bad points in some of these discussions, I doubt you're dumb enough to pay for your own health care. Who would be dumb enough to pay the full cost of each medical procedure, office visit or medication and treatment and not buy into insurance unless you're independently wealthy (not just rich)?? What you probably mean is you pay for your own insurance....if you in fact actually pay that on your own and it isn't part of some employer based plan.

That being the case you still pay a premium or periodic contribution to a pool (not much different from paying a tax) for a service to be covered in the event you need it.

Practically speaking, most people don't care or even (as GOPer Committee Chair Michael Steele demonstrated) know who their health insurance provider is as long as they're covered for reasonable procedures and treatments the doctor of your choice performs. As long as your doctor is paid, do you actually give a shit whether it's Aetna, Prudential, United Health Care, or Uncle Sam for that matter who's doing the paying??? Think about it, you probably don't.

As for public schools, I pay for that too even though I don't have kids. If I did have kids, depending on where I lived they would most likely go to a private school to get a good education, as most public schools suck, just like most everything the government runs...

"most likely" but because you don't have a crystal ball....not guaranteed. Just like most other Americans can't guarantee their circumstance would allow for them to provide their own, private schooling for their children.
 

Friday on my mind

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
Thinger:

Health Care was never free.

Television was.

Also, "premium" cable channels cut and censor movies and so on.
Why do we have to pay for what is on "regular" stations?


You don't have to pay for whats on regular stations.There is still free broadcast TV you can get with the old style antenna.TV was not totally free even back in the past,it was paid for by advertisers and their commercials.Cable and later dish came along and offered for a fee the ability to get movies with no commericals.I might agree I don't like that some cable/dish stations have commericals as well but we still do have the option to just use old style broadcast TV.

And while somebody was paying for health care back in the day it wasn't untill the 70s that the average person started to have to pay.Up untill then overwhelmingly if you worked your employer provided totally free health care for you.If that hadn't changed to where employers started asking workers to start chipping in,more and more all the time, I don't think many would be complaining now.So I blame the employers and doctors and insurance and drug companies for where were at.They let it get out of control and then said now you workers pay for our inability to control the costs.And as the costs increase, more and more employers are just not offering health care to employees.And the workers who still get it are asked to pay more and more and get reduced benefits.What a great deal.:eek:
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
You don't have to pay for whats on regular stations.There is still free broadcast TV you can get with the old style antenna.TV was not totally free even back in the past,it was paid for by advertisers and their commercials.Cable and later dish came along and offered for a fee the ability to get movies with no commericals.I might agree I don't like that some cable/dish stations have commericals as well but we still do have the option to just use old style broadcast TV.

No, now you have to buy big brothers "peeping tom" device.

So, it's not free at all.

If you pay for cable, there shouldn't be any commercials on any of those stations. Also, none of the movies should be censored.

It was free for the people, not the ones who wanted to pay to advertise on a certain station.
 
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