The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam

[The Paulinator]

Brilliant post Red Spyder!

I, of course, mean the post comparing George Carlin to Socrates:georges:


The other one on this page wasn't bad either.

 

[Wainkerr99]

.......... Al Gore was worth some $2 million when he left the Office of Vice President of the United States of America. Today Al gore is worth more than $100 million, go figure. Spread the wealth 'round a 'lil AL !!
............thumbsup:

Wowzer. That I did not know. If I had that much moola I would do more than just hold seminars pointing out a problem. I would start planting trees in the deserts, starting with the Eastern Cape/Namibia, then the Sahara.

Ha ha - George Carlin - "The planet's been through much worse that us.....the planet isn't going away, we are."

 

[boobfan]

Think you are a bit confused.Co2 is not harmless.Carbon dioxide is what is referenced when scientists say we have and are emmiting tons of Co2 into the atmosphere and that is what is causing the greenhouse effect and the warming/climate change.While Co2 is naturally occuring as you say mans activities in the last 150 years since the dawn of the industrial revolution have dramaically increased the Co2 being put up into the atmosphere and its increasing all the time and so is the resultant greenhouse effect.All this extra Co2 is not the result of humans emmiting it but from their machines emmisions and the burning of fossil fuels.The EPA is just now getting ready to classify Co2 as a pollutant.Best result of that will be intiatives to reduce the use of coal especially but also oil.

Too much of anything can be dangerous even things which in some quantites are neccesary like Co2.

Last thing I want to point out here is I constantly read posts which I generally agree with as they are somewhat supportive of the truth of the effect man is having that say something like "even if climate change is not true wouldn't it be good to curb pollution and clean up the air?" That again IMO is a POV that misunderstands in a fundamental way what is happening.The truth is that regular air pollution is actually beleived to be holding down some of the greenhouse effect by actually keeping the planet cooler by limiting the heating from the sun.So clean up the air but do nothing about the Co2 and you would have even more warming.Nice box we have gotten ourselves in lol.

Its also completely wrong.
Co2 IS harmless because it is an open system, because plants convert it to o2.
o3 is not because ozone that is generated at ground level stays at ground level. There is no system in nature that converts ozone into oxygen which is why ozone is a true greenhouse gas and carbon dioxide is not. The NOx family are also true greenhouse gases for the same reason.
The shitloads of O3 and NOx that are being created at ground level are creating a ground level greenhouse effect that is causing over all temperatures to rise and fall from lighter gases that will leave ground level going up into the atmosphere. Due to this wonderful ground level greenhouse effect we also have globalcooling during cold months (this is why it snows during GW protests).

 

[marquis2]

Its also completely wrong.
Co2 IS harmless because it is an open system, because plants convert it to o2.
o3 is not because ozone that is generated at ground level stays at ground level. There is no system in nature that converts ozone into oxygen which is why ozone is a true greenhouse gas and carbon dioxide is not. The NOx family are also true greenhouse gases for the same reason.
The shitloads of O3 and NOx that are being created at ground level are creating a ground level greenhouse effect that is causing over all temperatures to rise and fall from lighter gases that will leave ground level going up into the atmosphere. Due to this wonderful ground level greenhouse effect we also have globalcooling during cold months (this is why it snows during GW protests).

It's a simple agreed fact that global temperatures rise and fall in a series of cycles .Looking at graphs of temperatures over time it looks as if our present conditions fit into the historical pattern.
There was a significant warming in the latter part of the 20th century.The difficulty is knowing why this happened.Many climatologists seized on it as evidence for the greenhouse effect but really provided little justification for doing so.

 

[boobfan]

It's a simple agreed fact that global temperatures rise and fall in a series of cycles .Looking at graphs of temperatures over time it looks as if our present conditions fit into the historical pattern.
There was a significant warming in the latter part of the 20th century.The difficulty is knowing why this happened.Many climatologists seized on it as evidence for the greenhouse effect but really provided little justification for doing so.

Yes, it is true that temperatures do rise and fall in cycles and yes, we are on an upward cycle however; we should not be experiencing the extreme cold that we are during winters on a normal upward cycle or the heat spikes during summer months.
The only scientific argument that has been presented is some impact by true greenhouse gases and carbon dioxide is not among those.

But freaking AL Gore is on a mission to save us all by selling carbon credits!

 

[calpoon]

True genius! For some reason I think of him as a modern day Socrates. :thumbsup:

Let me put it this way: Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates... Morons.

 

[calpoon]

Its also completely wrong.
Co2 IS harmless because it is an open system, because plants convert it to o2.

I don't really know much about plant biology, but do you know exactly the rate that plants exchange oxygen and what the global input output/ratio is compared with the numbers of Co2 being emitted?

I do know that in some parts of the world over 90% of the terrain has been deforested and reefs have substantially declined in the past few decades, while Co2 levels continue to grow. So even if it was at an exact 1/1 ratio (which I highly doubt, or even more unlikely it's skewed significantly toward surplus O2), it's going to increasingly shift off balance.

Care to offer any evidence to back up your claims? If you post a link, I'll check it out, because I'd like to know that.

 

[calpoon]

Ps. But you are right about O3. It's a pretty unstable compound that is rather rare in natural occurrences, and has a short lifespan (I think something like 20 days before it breaks up into O2 and evaporates at room temperature). Even so it is produced in some areas with high enough concentrations to pose health problems to humans just by going outside and breathing the air.

It seems painfully obvious that the conditions of the Earth were formed over billions of years so that we have a pretty well balanced chemical system. The only naturally occurring geologic phenomenon that changes them drastically are volcanic eruptions... So when humans engineer chemical reactions that would not have otherwise happened in such a time, such as burning billions of tons of carbon to produce billions of tons of CO2, or generating electro-magnetic waves that stimulate the production of O3 ozone , it will obviously fuck things up. How can anyone honestly believe that changing the chemical system on one level is not going to effect it on any other level? that is sheer scientific ignorance.

 

[calpoon]

PPS. But it really doesn't fuckin matter. We could detonate all of our nukes and it would get rid of all the cuddly animals and those hairless upright apes you hear so much about and all of their shit that they like to leave around all over the place (and God bless) but life will go on. The Earth will be inherited by the meek that live miles underneath the polar ice layers.

Or maybe we'll keep on truckin for another few billion years until the REAL global warming happens and the daytime temperature of the planet increases a few hundred degrees or so and we'll say goodbye, but a few hardy organisms will be just fine. They'd actually prefer it.

Yes we humans are truly special among God's creation-- if you consider being stupid and weak a sign of renown. It seems that the universe is better suited towards lifeforms that thrive in conditions that are anathema to those of us that like it luke-warm and oxygen rich.

 

[Philbert]

PPS. But it really doesn't fuckin matter. We could detonate all of our nukes and it would get rid of all the cuddly animals and those hairless upright apes you hear so much about and all of their shit that they like to leave around all over the place (and God bless) but life will go on. The Earth will be inherited by the meek that live miles underneath the polar ice layers.

Or maybe we'll keep on truckin for another few billion years until the REAL global warming happens and the daytime temperature of the planet increases a few hundred degrees or so and we'll say goodbye, but a few hardy organisms will be just fine. They'd actually prefer it.

Yes we humans are truly special among God's creation-- if you consider being stupid and weak a sign of renown. It seems that the universe is better suited towards lifeforms that thrive in conditions that are anathema to those of us that like it luke-warm and oxygen rich.

Speak for yourself...