The Blindness of Religion Part II.

[bobjustbob]

Oh, no. Every name on every piece of paperwork that sent Fr. Goodtimes to his Northern Ireland retreat goes behind bars too. That shit is a crime by every social standard in the world.

Don't toss out the baby with the bath water. These charities and money, regardless of the brain set of the donates, make an impact on the lives that they touch. They reach into war torn nations and provide help to those in need too. People open up when disaster strikes. The church is the first place they run to since they are always the first on the scene.

 

[Mariahxxx]

ok fine, then how about you parishioners tell the fucking pope that if each and every priest who has ever messed with a child isnt prosecuted then there is no more money? The church claims that the pope is infallible (coughing) so how has this been allowed to continue for so long?

this is the reason that the church is hurting tremendously. they are running tv ads for fucks sake for the last 3 years!

 

[Philbert]

The Church has over 41,406 diocesan and religious-order priests in the United States; over 30,000 lay ministers (80 percent of them women); 17,000 men who are ordained as permanent deacons in the United States (a permanent deacon is a man, either married or single, who is ordained to the order of deacons, the first of three ranks in ordained ministry; they assist priests in administrative and pastoral roles); 63,032 sisters; 5,040 brothers; 16 US cardinals; 424 active and retired US bishops; and 5,029 seminarians enrolled in the United States. Overall, it employs more than one million employees with an operating budget of nearly $100 billion to run parishes, diocesan primary and secondary schools, nursing homes, retreat centers, diocesan hospitals, and other charitable institutions. Catholic schools educate 2.7 million students in the United States, employing 150,000 teachers.

Mensa (like) Scholar M Milano, partial provider of shelter for lions in a ZOO, believes that since there has been maybe 400 (or less) Priests caught doing nasty things, that the only reasonable solution to the problem is to shut down the whole organization, prosecute anyone remotely connected to any Priest convicted, and come to her when any societal problems arise.
Sounds reasonable...

Pure coincidence her rabid hatred of all things and people religious allows no logic or compassion to intrude...

 

[Mariahxxx]

gee only 400? you know they say for every time a pedophile is caught there are 40 times he isn't?

and do some research the least reported crimes are rape and molestation. people are too embarrassed to report it. children are threatened and convinced it's natural. look at Jerry Sandusky.

So ONLY 400 or so means probably AT LEAST double that many. they say only 20% of rapes are reported. I dont think there is even a % for child rape.

So you can sugar coat it and dismiss it all you want, but if it were YOUR child you would be fucking pissed that some dude on a forum is just saying "well it's only 400 or so"

 

[Mariahxxx]

wait a fucking minute no compassion??? for a bunch of fucking deliusional old men who allow other old men to rape little boys??? are you out of your fucking mind??????????????

I have plenty of compassion...for the boys who are raped!!!!!!!!!!! not for a bunch of old men who are too worried about the status of a church to do anything when kids are being raped.

I have to say that there is PLENTY of logic in my side.

The catholic church, as an entity, as a whole, including the fucking POPE!!!!!!!!!!! covered up rapes of young boys!!!!!!!!! all the way to the top!!!!!!! how much compassion should there be dude?

again what if it were your child? seriously, put aside your dislike for me for one second and answer that one question. what if it were your child? I have a son and if someone ever did that to my son I would NEVER let it stop. I would be so relentless that they would put that motherfucker in jail to keep me away from him. I would hope you would be the same way.

So you throw your money at that bunch of criminals and Ill support endangered species that have to be protected to survive. I think that sponsoring a wild game enclosure for a Lion AND a Tiger is a good way to give my money. Why would you knock that? you give your fucking money to people who fuck kids or protect people who fuck kids.

You helped pay for their defense funds. knock my lions and tigers all you want.

 

[Philbert]

More rabid BS...when it comes to cash for accusations, "victims" come outa the woodwork...so there's a lot less actual cases of the deed .
But all this noise has created an industry of Cash Settlements from the Church.
Are you going to claim that greed has nothing to do with the rash of reported cases?
Then you are indeed terminally stupid.

(Wouldn't I have to be a Catholic to be donating cash to a Church Defense Fund?) WTF?

 

[Mariahxxx]

wow you need to learn a little about sexual abuse before you start making claims. I KNOW that most people NEVER report these things.

Sure there are some who jump on for a paycheck, but many many many of these priests have admitted to it. MANY

so you can downplay it all you want but facts be facts dude. they wouldnt be paying if it werent happening. priests wouldnt be continuously accused if it werent happening.

i think you just argue for the sake of arguing with me. You probably arent even a christian



so you think a majority of those claims are people who are willing to humiliate themselves publicly as a man who was raped by another man for money? yes some would but MOST? no fucking way.

I find it incredible that you guys are arguing on behalf of the church who has been proven to have covered this up. I cannot imagine the pure lack of sense that takes. And you accuse ME of lacking compassion?

 

[assari]

If a man have sex with a boy then he is either homo or bi-sexual.

 

[Mariahxxx]

it a man has sex with a boy he is a criminal rapist and should be murdered by rape. simple without discussion.

 

[assari]

it a man has sex with a boy he is a criminal rapist

Are you saying that a man who likes boys is not homo or bi-sexual?

 

[Mariahxxx]

In most cases men that molest boys are not gay. most are straight men many are married they just have a twisted perversion that makes them predators.

 

[bigwarmload]

it a man has sex with a boy he is a criminal rapist and should be murdered by rape. simple without discussion.

First, I am completely against any afflictions and heinous crimes of innocent children.

But to your point, I am only asking comparatively, if by some chance, a 16-17 year old boy or girl films a porn scene (again by chance or whatever circumstance) with an older male or female pornstar, should the pornstars be fucked to death? And again assume it occurs against all odds even though it should not and that you will say it cant or wont. What should the outcome be?

 

[assari]

In most cases men that molest boys are not gay.

I think that they are homo or bi-sexuals who exploit children.

 

[Mariahxxx]

first of all a 16 or 17 year old is not a child in the eyes of the law. most states consent age is 16.

im talking about 10 year olds 6 year olds the one in philly was fucking a boy from age 3 - 13!!!!!!



if someone rapes that person against their will or threatens them to do it then they should certainly be put in jail for 25 years minimum


in most states there is a separate stipulation for children 12 and under which is a more severe crime

but to answer your specific question no not in that instance unless it was forced and the girl was drugged then there should be severe punishment.

but a man who preys upon children should be raped to death. like those preists and jerry sandusky and those animals. raped to death.

 

[Mariahxxx]

well assair you seem to be giving them a lighter stigma. you dont think there is something more sadistic and twisted there than that? as I said most child same sex predators dont have sex with men and are majority straight otherwise. I dont claim to be a psychiatrist or anything but I know what know and those are personal.

 

[assari]

well assair you seem to be giving them a lighter stigma. you dont think there is something more sadistic and twisted there than that?

This is a matter of opinion.

You think that they are not gay or bi-sexual, but at least they are people who abuse their position.

 

[bigwarmload]

first of all a 16 or 17 year old is not a child in the eyes of the law. most states consent age is 16. but to answer your specific question no not in that instance unless it was forced and the girl was drugged then there should be severe punishment.

Yes, I was just using 18 for the example. I am surprised you feel in general there should be no ramifications as long as there was consent and no foul play, again using 18 as the barrier. I do find your response interesting however comparatively, I was just curious. And again, I am completely against any afflictions and heinous crimes of innocent children and was not directly comparing the two direct examples, except the thought of dealing with minors in a sexual context.

 

[Mariahxxx]

Well Im speaking from a clinical standpoint. Most same sex child abusers are not considered to be gay. they dont generally have gay relationships or even gay sex with grown men. they are nearly always straight men but have this sickness for lack of a better term because they are monsters, for children.

you can call them anything you want. I dont care what they are considered as long as they are considered a monster

 

[Mariahxxx]

Well here's the thing. I ran away from home when I was 15 with a 27 year old. I got pregnant when I was 16 and had the baby 1 month after I turned 17. At the time I wanted that life. I ran away willingly and no one could stop me. My mom tried to press charged but it was too late because of my age. the police would do nothing. He didnt rape me in the vilent sense of the word but now as an adult looking back I was very much mind fucked. I was so young and vulnerable but thought I was an adult.

The guy was a loser but I can't say he was a pedophile because for one he's just too dumb. secondly I told him I was 18 when we met and he didn't know until my mom tried to have him arrested.

I personally think that the legal age for porn should be 21 but that wont happen. i also think that drug tests should be mandatory to film and that wont happen either

Fucking a 16 or 17 year old is one thing, filming her being fucked is another.

 

[assari]

you can call them anything you want. I dont care what they are considered as long as they are considered a monster

The point is that it is not the fault of Christianity that some people behave like that.