The making of a revolution

[Hot Mega]

I don't think that they should have to take it back or feel sorry that they said it.

They shouldn't have to apologize to anyone because no party who understands what was in the statement should be offended except for maybe extremists groups.

No statement in the report as I understand it was accusatory toward anyone in the military.

Moreover, it should be an alert to military commanders that their soldiers could be targeted for recruitment by extremists seeking exploit them with propaganda.

 

[Facetious]

[ . . why did Obama pick her? because the GREAT job she did on border security? hahaha

It's a payback for a job well done for the deliverance of thousands upon thousands of new dem party voters. I will say though, it's not very green of them, importing all of these voting bodies into an otherwise overcrowded :shocked: 'merika. Oh well, as long as they're not peeing & pooping in my backyard, we'll compromise our principles every time, so long as we can build a dominant electoral base.

By all means necessary, constituency constituency constituency!



Remind Janet Reno - Waco - Neapolitano to make certain that th' 'migos get their stimulus checks now !
* Also, make sure that they're the new letterhead checks with the ever Almighty embossed on them. :rofl:

:sing: FIGHT The Pow - a !

 

[loopy65]

sorry to butt in, but who the fuck goes into a porn site and talks about politics?

 

[titsrock]

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A lot of tough-talking "born again" Ron Paul Libertarians who have no idea actually how miserable life in America would be without Gov't to protect citizens from corporations. Look at the damage done just from overturning 3 or 4 SEC financial laws. Imagine taking down the entire gov't....we would all have life expectancies of about 43 years. I guess that would make it convenient to put the rhetorical dishonesty of "we're thinking about the kids and future generations" finally to rest....

 

[Philbert]

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A lot of tough-talking "born again" Ron Paul Libertarians who have no idea actually how miserable life in America would be without Gov't to protect citizens from corporations. Look at the damage done just from overturning 3 or 4 SEC financial laws. Imagine taking down the entire gov't....we would all have life expectancies of about 43 years. I guess that would make it convenient to put the rhetorical dishonesty of "we're thinking about the kids and future generations" finally to rest....

Since most of your usual kneejerk uberLiberal Democrat Obama worshippers like to point out, in their usual confusion, that it's the Republicans who did all the bad to the country while the Democrats sleep peacefully somewhere else...how does that suddenly morph into Libertarians singlehandedly removing the govt?
The smallest possible membership party and still a "party", they want less govt and more personal freedoms...not anarchy like the Prez's good buddy Ayers. Not a real threat to future generations.
Democrats and Republicans are still the vast majority of the political population, and future gens have enough to deal with with the Democrats spending like there's no tomorrow...oh, wait, there may not be. I guess we should just let them go at it...

loopy65...are you lost? There's a thread on "Choose among the four Which of the babe has cute curvy ass?" and " Monique Vegas or Danielle Gamba? " that should meet your intellectual needs...

 

[stampede2873]

so why pander to the mob? I know that you are smarter than that stampede, so you should show your dissent with intelligent handling of the facts, not siding with the knee-jerkers.

I see that often, and the best example of the villified overreactionary are those guys who want to kill you because you disgraced them by saying that thier religion preaches violence.

the common people have obviously been duped by Obama into thinking that he is an "everyman". they aren't going to listen to a david koresh or ted kazynski...

that is assuming that we still believe in a government of the people, and not just to trade one Caesar for another.

Obama is not the answer. But neither is another Bush.

there's plenty of people on here that claim to dislike both bands. but who is there that is worth the job? that's what i'd like to know.

I'm not pandering to the mob, I feel as if this government is directly targeting myself and others that believe as I do.

Obama and cohorts are creating an atmosphere that generates hate and are deliberately attempting to create a US where only one party rules.... the Dems. Take a look at what they are trying to do with the Census.

The next President will have to be someone that has ZERO political aspirations. Someone that doesn't believe that what they think is better than what you think... a Joe Honest if you will.

 

[meesterperfect]

just to set the record straight, koresh never advocated over throwing the GOV or commiting any violent acts
they were a religious group that broke no laws, or at least none that were ever proven.
the GOV under clinton just opened fire and shot, burned, cyanide gassed them to death, with the backing of the media equated him to jim jones.

Just cause mcviegh did what he did in response to waco after the fact, doesnt put koresh and his people in the category of extremist or revolutionist.

When they kick in your front door, how you gonna come?
With your hands on your head or on the trigger of a gun?

 

[Hot Mega]

just to set the record straight, koresh never advocated over throwing the GOV or commiting any violent acts
they were a religious group that broke no laws, or at least none that were ever proven.
the GOV under clinton just opened fire and shot, burned, cyanide gassed them to death, with the backing of the media equated him to jim jones.

Just cause mcviegh did what he did in response to waco after the fact, doesnt put koresh and his people in the category of extremist or revolutionist.

When they kick in your front door, how you gonna come?
With your hands on your head or on the trigger of a gun?

If agents of the government (local police, sheriff, FBI, ATF or any of the other alphabet organizations) show up at your front door to execute a duly authorized warrant and you respond with bullets....it's probably not going to end good for you. What did Koresh and the people along side of him shooting expect?? How does Koresh get a pass for shooting at law enforcement doing their jobs but any other suspect resisting arrest causing his own suffering or demise at the hands of cops is vilified??

If Koresh had cooperated with the warrant, why wouldn't he along with all of those innocent people that he condemned to death with him be living today barring unforeseeable demise??

No one who's ever argued on behalf of the Branch Davidians has ever responded coherently to those simple points.

And before you go with the angle that the feds showed up with excessive back up and force....it would have been criminally negligent for them not to knowing the reason they were going there in the first place was illegal weapons.

What happened in Pittsburgh to those cops is what can happen when you don't.

The whole Koresh gripe is situational ethics IMO.

 

[meesterperfect]

the thing is mega, is that the atf brought 3 film crews there to film the "event".
oh they sure got alot of video of that pr stunt gone sour.
but for some reason there is no video of the simple knocking on a door.
that disappeared.
So did the door.
why would the atf train for 2 months at an army barrack just to serve a simple warrant?

Any ,the atf went there and started blasting first. they opened fire first in response to nothing.
The law states that if ANYONE begins shooting at you without reason you have the right to defend yourself.
hell they found un-armed body all over that property, so much for surrendering in peace.

A sensible president would have simply backed off for a day and let them surrender.

Another pov is that if koresh and his people were crazy like they were saying, then doesnt the GOV have a responsibilty to protect all those kids inside?
No instead they just cyanide gassed them, one of most painful ways to die.

 

[bustybbwlover]

Another pov is that if koresh and his people were crazy like they were saying, then doesnt the GOV have a responsibilty to protect all those kids inside?
No instead they just cyanide gassed them, one of most painful ways to die.

uuuuhhh....first i don't think they cyanide gassed them as that's what was used with our gas chambers to kill people sentenced to die. i think you meant they tear gassed them. it would seem that koresh having sex with underage girls could be taken as a violent action or at the very least a illegal one. as for the reason the atf and fbi showed up well-tuned for the branch davidians was because they knew they were stockpiling weapons as well as being an apocalyptic cult. here's the thing just because they were a crazy apocalyptic cult who had found their jesus & that jesus was having relations with underage girls & that jesus was encouraging his followers to stockpile weapons & that jesus was preaching the our government was an agent of satan while waiting for the apocalypse and then the government showed up knocking on the front door....in spite of all of this the fbi and atf did fuck up but i don't think there would have been anyway for that standoff to end peacefully.

 

[georges]

just tell me who is the friend of william ayers and who got elected as president, and I will tell you what I should consider and/or think about what can be defined as terrorism or as extremism.

 

[Jagger69]

just to set the record straight, koresh never advocated over throwing the GOV or commiting any violent acts
they were a religious group that broke no laws, or at least none that were ever proven.
the GOV under clinton just opened fire and shot, burned, cyanide gassed them to death, with the backing of the media equated him to jim jones.

Just cause mcviegh did what he did in response to waco after the fact, doesnt put koresh and his people in the category of extremist or revolutionist.

When they kick in your front door, how you gonna come?
With your hands on your head or on the trigger of a gun?

MP....the motherfucker (Koresh) was a lunatic with a god-complex whose goal was to manifest the prophecies in the book of Daniel. They had assault weapons stockpiled like a fortress. I guess those were for deer-hunting, huh?

If the Branch Davidians aren't (weren't? are there any left?) extremists, I don't know who would be.

Now....as to how they were dealt with.....well, that's a totally different matter altogether.

 

[Hot Mega]

the thing is mega, is that the atf brought 3 film crews there to film the "event".
oh they sure got alot of video of that pr stunt gone sour.
but for some reason there is no video of the simple knocking on a door.
that disappeared.
So did the door.
why would the atf train for 2 months at an army barrack just to serve a simple warrant?

Any ,the atf went there and started blasting first. they opened fire first in response to nothing.
The law states that if ANYONE begins shooting at you without reason you have the right to defend yourself.
hell they found un-armed body all over that property, so much for surrendering in peace.

A sensible president would have simply backed off for a day and let them surrender.

Another pov is that if koresh and his people were crazy like they were saying, then doesnt the GOV have a responsibilty to protect all those kids inside?
No instead they just cyanide gassed them, one of most painful ways to die.

So it is your belief that the government (for some reason) went down to Waco, TX to assassinate David Koresh and his followers? I'm dying to hear you explain what reasonable, sane purpose that would have served our government. Execute the guy because he bought some firearms??? Sorry, you'll have to do better than that.

As far as serving warrants, depending on the situation a knock at the door may or may not happen. It's a perfectly legitimate tactic for law enforcement to breach entry points in execution of warrants. It happens all the time. And I guarantee no matter if your name is Koresh or Johnson or McDonald or whatever, if you pop your head up with a firearm while S.W.A.T (for example) is coming through your door aiming M4s, they will probably use deadly force against you.

If they did prepare with training before staging the warrant execution, what does that tell you???? They were preparing to attempt a warrant execution on a potentially hostile, heavily armed, heavily fortified compound. To not prepare for that would be tantamount to criminal negligence on their part. And judging from the resistance they received, they were right.

By the way, why is that the news only shows up after a high speed chase has begun and not when officers make their initial stop of a vehicle. Because the media ALWAYS shows up after the action has started. They are rarely if ever on the scene before action like this starts.

Cyanide???? :helpme:I'm not even going to bother with that but to ask, is it really that far fetched that Koresh would poison his own people?? I mean there IS precedence for wackos doing stuff like that isn't there. Thankfully, there was footage of Jim Jones actually condemning his followers to death otherwise I could see fear-merchants re-writing that story to serve their own interests.

Answer me this, why didn't Koresh simply come out with his hands up after the bullets stop flying??? I can answer that for you, he was a fatalist and he fucking didn't want to.

Unbelievable! No wonder McVeigh blew a cog sitting around all day drinking beer, studying survivalist manuals and listening to the type of nonsense you're accusing the government of.

Extremists had people worked up against Clinton for Ruby Ridge 6 years into his presidency before many of them realized he wasn't even president when it happened.

 

[The Paulinator]

sorry to butt in, but who the fuck goes into a porn site and talks about politics?

People discuss their beliefs and ideas everywhere. This is FREEones. Plus the discussion usually turns out to be much more civil than on a left or right wing discussion board. We have people of all sorts of beliefs in the ways government should oppress it's citizenry. I have yet to read a post where one member calls another a....(see Godwin's Law)

 

[thanksimout]

Our country is full of too many stupid, uninformed, thoughtless and lazy people for a revolution to happen.

This is the truest comment I have ever read on Freeone's.

 

[Facetious]

They had assault weapons stockpiled like a fortress. I guess those were for deer-hunting, huh?

They weren't deemed as "Assault Weapons" until a later date, IIRC.
If things continue down this path, lord knows, come ten years ahead, how a .38 snubby, much less a S & W .22 Long Rifle target pistol will be categorized.

Aside - There are two types of people in America and they're not Democrats nor Republicans, they're Dependants and Independents. I cling to the latter.

Please forgive me

 

[CunningStunts]

I believe in the Constitution of the United States, not it's government.

I guess I'm an "extremist" in the same vein of the Founding Fathers!

This just goes to show you that a lot of "beltway" big government people see this as a threat to their monopoly on power. And SECDHS should be FIRED for leaking this appalling generalization into the media. It's shit like this that IS going to cause a revolution in this country.

 

[Facetious]

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[Hot Mega]

I believe in the Constitution of the United States, not it's government.

And SECDHS should be FIRED for leaking this appalling generalization into the media. It's shit like this that IS going to cause a revolution in this country.

Uh would I be wrong in assuming that when Bush was stretching, trampling and eroding the Constitution every which way Cheney needed him to...you believed in the government then and not a "piece of paper" like the Constitution?

Secondly, what is your best explanation of what Napolitano did wrong for which she needs to be fired?

Also, believing that someone else's position is wrong isn't an excuse to be an extremist in a country founded on freedom.:2 cents:

 

[Facetious]

Secondly, what is your best explanation of what Napolitano did wrong for which she needs to be fired?

What is it in Napolitano's resume that would indicate the she's the best "man" for the job ?

Running a joint like the ''Department of Homeland SECURITY would indicate, to me anyway, that the qualified appointee would have an extensive background in the military.
Appoint an attorney to the position of USDHLS and ''Security'' becomes a loosely defined relative term.
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