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This is fuckin stupid...

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
Can somebody please explain why if someone is on your property with out your consent or let alone you even knowing about it, and they get hurt, you are the one who is liable? That is the most fucked up thing I've ever heard of...ranks up there with the seat belt laws, lights on with windshield wipers, and helmet laws for motorcycles:mad:
 

Tgunz262

My nipples are like bullets!
I think it's only a problem if they live to tell the tale. :D

I like to go with foolproof security measures. If something gets tampered with, it blows up! Mess with my lock, loose your hands. Don't use some wimpy alarm bell. Explosions are louder. So are screams after falling into a punji pit.

I say if you're not wanted, don't get near me or you will loose things. That's my first and only warning.

Have a nice day. :)
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
all very true!
 

Aces&Jacks

Retired Mod
You are usually only liable if what happened to the person was forseeable and you did nothing prior to correct the problem (negligence).

If a person slips on your sidewalk and breaks a leg after a snow storm you are liable because it is forseeable that someone would slip and fall because you didn't shovel the snow after the storm was over.

If someone slips and fall on your sidewalk while it is raining you are not liable. You have no control over that and though it may be forseeable you are not negligent and can't be held responsible.
 
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poggy

I can set my own custom title!
Legzman said:
Can somebody please explain why if someone is on your property with out your consent or let alone you even knowing about it, and they get hurt, you are the one who is liable? That is the most fucked up thing I've ever heard of...ranks up there with the seat belt laws, lights on with windshield wipers, and helmet laws for motorcycles:mad:

First let me clear up the seat belt law, lights on the windshield wipers and helmet laws.

Seat belt save lifes, yes they do have there faults too. But research does show you've more chances of living in a accident wearing a seat belt, to not wearing one.

Lights on windshield wipers are distracting and causes accidents, which has also been proved in research.

Helmets also saves lives, as if you have a accident without wearing one you more likely to been seriously injured or dead without one. I ride a motorbike just about everyday of my life and even if there wasn't a law to wear them, I still would. IMO only a fool wouldn't wear one, who wants to die.

Now to the first part of your post. The way the law is set, you are responsible for the land you live on. Even if someone doesn't have your permission to be on it and harms themselves you are liable. Because the way the law see it, if a person could harm themselves on your land without your permission. Then so could someone on it with it, hence your land is unsafe for humans. It's that simple in the eyes of the law.
 

ThomasJenkins

Pussy, pussy, where are you?
It's not... headlights on the windshield wipers, its headlights on WITH the windshield wipers. The philosophy behind this is that if the weather outside is bad enough that you need wipers on to be able to see out the windshield, then its necessary for vehicles to have their headlights on to be more visible to oncoming traffic.

Seatbelts save more lives than just yours. A buddy of mine was a passenger in car and was killed because the driver wasn't wearing a seatbelt... How, do you ask? It was a rollover accident. Because the driver wasn't restrained in his position during the rollover, he fell into my buddy, pushing his head out the window. The car rolled over on his head and crushed his skull. The driver walked away without anything more than a concussion.
 

D-rock

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Yes there are a lot of dumb ass laws we have to live by. It makes me wonder it the people that make them ever live in the real world with the rest of us. I can't believe that the people in power want to side with the people who are in the wrong and the dumbass fuckups.

I think things like the seat belt laws are stupid. Like I said in a thread not to long ago, it isn't the government’s job to protect you from yourself, as long as you are an adult anyhow. If you want to do something stupid and die then go ahead. We won't have to deal with you anymore, and if the government doesn't want to pay your medical bills because you were an idiot I wouldn't blame them.


Aces&Jacks said:
You are usually only liable if what happened to the person was forseeable and you did nothing prior to correct the problem (negligence).

If a person slips on your sidewalk and breaks a leg after a snow storm you are liable because it is forseeable that someone would slip and fall because you didn't shovel the snow after the storm was over.

See, even this doesn't make any sense because wouldn't it then be foreseeable for the person walking on it know that it would be slippery and to take precautions and be more careful. The only way I could rightfully see somebody being liable would be if you made them walk on your property. I don't want to have to take care of every loose stone on my property because some idiot might want to come where he is not welcome and slip on it. It is like people are now allowed to sue you for their lack of common sense.


As far as people being hurt on your land without you permission, maybe there is a reason you don't want them on, they could get hurt. That is almost as bad as the stories about people that break into other's houses, slip on the kitchen floor while coming through the window, and then successfully sue the person that owns the house they were breaking into. It's happened before. Nice to see the American way working, where you can sue pretty much anybody or almost anything and probably win.

I really hate to say this, but if somebody is on your property and you have to kill them to protect yourself, I recommend lying if you have to, even if you were almost certainly justified in doing so. The way are justice system is set up you are pretty much guilty until proven innocent in that regard anyhow. Of course they never take into account the fact that the first time you assume the person will do nothing to you might end up dead. I swear in most places in this country to actually be considered to have used reasonable force without them wanting to prosecute you the other person pretty much has to have a knife stuck in your heart first. Of course the last thing you want to do when your life is on the line is calculate how to escape successfully when it might very well put your life in even more danger or go though a lengthy calculation of what you can and cannot do within some stupid law that doesn't follow common sense when you can die because of the hesitation in a life threatening situation. If somebody breaks into my house I don't want to assume he is just going to leave my family and me alone. I don't want to have sit there and think about if I could only get behind him and club him, or maybe tackle him to the ground I could take care of the situation so he could then pull out a knife and cut me to shreds or just shoot me. I don't want to have to rely on the police who might arrive 30 minutes later if I am lucky. I don't want to pray I can open a window and bust out the screen so silently that he can't hear it and come right after me. I don't even want to shoot him in an un-vital area where he can live long enough to retaliate. I want to take out my gun and tell him to freeze (unless he forces me to kill him before that), and he damn well better do what I say, how I say it, and immediately when I say it, because if he makes even a little lunge at me or twitches in a way I don't like before the police show up, he is dead. It's as simple as that. Which is ok by me because I know at the end of the day I'm the one that’s alive, even if I might be sent to prison. Of course there are people in the justice system that will say oh no, poor criminal how could you do that and take people’s like that side. Who knows maybe even I have it wrong, maybe if they want to make it so hard to defend yourself you should just dispose of the body in a way nobody will ever find it and pretend it didn't happen. That isn't what I would like, but I didn't make this screwed up world the way it is.
 

thesafestplace

Create a Poll and I will vote.
LOL at 4G! What the hell is 'kinda legal'....
Haha :tongue:

Heh and D-Rock is certainly no cuddly-Lefty...


As a law student I've done Tort Law this year, and that encompasses the tort of negligence including The Occupiers' Liability Act etc etc etc. (Obviously the American Legal system is different, so I don't know how relevant my comments will be) However - I think as Laws their existence is entirely necessary.

As for your comments on foreseeability D-Rock, the law generally will aim to make impositions upon the individual rather than the public at large. In the example given it is clearly easier for the one man to sweep his path, rather than the rest of the world to tread carefully. There is nothing wrong either, with a law that seeks to embrace basic principles as take care of thy neighbour! I'm not at all religious, but in society it's just a nice thing to have morals like that... I know I'm a lefty and a ponce, but hey! Let's spread the love. Lol.

Of course there are going to be ridiculous instances where the Law seems to unjustly enrich those who are breaking and entering, but these cases are in the minority and only ever happen because of the mechanical way in which the Law must sometimes be applied. Usually any occupier will have the defence of illegality (Ex turpi causa non oritur actio).
 

jumbo_jim

I can set my own custom title!
The whole legal system is screwed up and punishment are far to lenient. My mate took a garden hoe to another boys face and all he got was a £100 pound fine. The boy was lucky he didn't die.
 

AFA

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Legzman said:
Can somebody please explain why if someone is on your property with out your consent or let alone you even knowing about it, and they get hurt, you are the one who is liable? That is the most fucked up thing I've ever heard of...ranks up there with the seat belt laws, lights on with windshield wipers, and helmet laws for motorcycles:mad:

I agree that someone on my property, especially without my permission shouldn't have the right to sue me.

The seat belt laws, lights on, are a bit different. What if it's even my fault that causes an accident. The person in the other car is seriously injured because he didn't wear a seat belt, which would have helped protect him and minimized his injury. Now the amount of liability is much higher, in this and other accidents where people didn't protect themselves by wearing the belts, causing the insurance rates to rise for everyone else. Same with helmet laws I'm afraid. Death or more serious injury is much higher, as is the liability again, and it's all largely preventable.

Same with lights on. I can't see cars on the road in the rain as easily with their lights off. Why shouldn't they have to turn them on?

Another thing that annoys me is those license plate covers. They make it almost impossible to read the plate sometimes. Why they are allowed most places is beyond me.
 

Pariah000

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if i ever get rich enough to make my home its gonna be so big that it can be called a compound or facility then ill have 10 metre high walls (concrete walls), with electrified barbed wire fences on top and those fluro light things saying "STAY THE FUCK OFF MY LAND YOU BASTARDS!!!" and then a moat lol and a draw bridge, ok im taking the piss now but you get the idea. plus id bribe the cops so that i can get a shoot on sight "permit" lol. or at least get a permit to have whoever gets into my compound let them run through a maze where i can have Sniping practace lol!!! nah, not really. no country would allow that sadly. but anyway, the basic message would be "you get in my yard you lose your life!"
 

calpoon

Yes, I bribed and cheated to get this far
the thing is that a lot of people have insurance for these kinds of things, when they do things that increase the likelyhood of them fucking up IE:costing their insurance company money, they frown on that. If you look at a lot of absurd things out of context than they kind of make sense. you had a dog that attacked a guy, for all we knew it might have been a girl scout. They just look at the law and seldom to what is actually happening in real life five feet above that little peice of paper. I say that if a guy is trying to rob you he can go right to hell. Shit, if you'd ask me for my VCR and give me a good reason why you need it more than I do, then i'd most likely hand it over. anyway, the bottom line is these laws are in place because everyone is sue happy and mostly to protect business, which i say uncle sam has no right to be involved in, but that's another story.
 

Barry1980

Will you help me name my penis?
There was a guy in the UK who shot 2 theives as they broke onto his farm. This guy got his shotgun and shot the B******s. Unfortunately one of them got away, the other one was killed (the one that died was only a young teenager, probably being led astray by the b****** that only got injured, no justice in that but it was dark). The farmer was arrested and spent time in prison for this!

As far as I'm concerned we are too leanient on criminals. The people that shouted for this guy to go to prison for protecting himself, his property and his family, are the same people that complain that the world is turning to s**t, with prison's being overcrowded, ASBO's being pinned to youngsters like medals and the like.

The punishment should fit the crime. In some middle eastern countries, if you are caught stealing, they cut off your hands. So next time someone is trying to break into your house and falls from your roof, breaking both their legs, go outside and finish the job off. You may go to prison for it, but it won't cost you X amount of pounds in compensation.

Thanks, I feel better now.
 

pussy+dickdenice

Wanking all the way to the bank!
AFA said:
I agree that someone on my property, especially without my permission shouldn't have the right to sue me.

Yes I too agree.

But as Poggy said, you are liable because you can't prove that the person had come in with a bad intention. If you have guard dog and don't have a "Be ware of Dog" on almost all places of entry or otherwise and your pet bites the person inside your property, then your property IS UNSAFE.

Laughable, but laws are laws and I myself have paid damages for the same. Not only that I had to prove that my pet was vaccinated.

Thank You so much!!!!!!!

dd

And what a load of bulshit?
pd

ps: dd says he is better in english & just look at his posts, its rare that its without a repost. :D
pd


don't believe her.
dd
 
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Pariah000

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Barry1980 said:
The punishment should fit the crime. In some middle eastern countries, if you are caught stealing, they cut off your hands.

thats "god's" law. i think thats a very just law, but as youve said, we have gone soft. i mean, all the laws now are human's laws, not gods, so theres no way that anyone is getting into heaven anymore.

and i always wondered why the western world were rewarded for being blasphemous when the true believers in the middleeast are stuck in a baron land of chafe. if thats an illegal comment, being religous or watever i can delete it.
 

pussy+dickdenice

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Pariah000 said:
thats "god's" law. i think thats a very just law, but as youve said, we have gone soft. i mean, all the laws now are human's laws, not gods, so theres no way that anyone is getting into heaven anymore.

and i always wondered why the western world were rewarded for being blasphemous when the true believers in the middleeast are stuck in a baron land of chafe. if thats an illegal comment, being religous or watever i can delete it.

God's Law? And it says that kill the killer? An eye for an eye, a hand for a hand?

I don't know. Is there any other God, who said, "love your neighbours" and "treat all the creatures as equal as I created them Myself"?

dd

I don't want to go to Heaven if it is created by the first God.

pd
 

Pariah000

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yeah i understand DD. better stop with this religious stuff coz i doubt its legal on these forums.
 
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