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Violator79

Take a Hit, Spunker!
pearl harbor was a genius move on their part. think about it. early, sunday morning, catch them unexpected (only americans would take a break from a war on sunday morning).

the strike wasnt intended to massacre a ton of people like the americas nuclear bombs, it was to disable the naval base. it was an attack on the ships and stockyards, not the navy men. of course, much respect to those men, but still, it was a completely different tactic than a fucking nuclear bomb. the bomb was dropped on civilians.

Sure Pearl Harbor was a genius move on Japan's part, but it also one big act of cowardice, but I'm sure you're still defending Japan and all their heroic people right?

Yes it was an attack on the naval base, but last time I checked, 2,413 American sailors and Marines were killed. Oh yeah, here's a fun fact for you: not only were we justified for dropping the A-bombs for Pearl Harbor alone, but ask any of the survivors that went through the death marches the Japanese put the POW's through.

The A-bomb was the grand finale to the biggest war in history. There could've been no other end for it.
 
There are always going to be casualties of was, and this is Japan's, there are two arguments to this 1. It stopped the war so it was justified and 2. There is no justification for dropping an A Bomb on a residential area.

I tend to agree with the 1st because if WW2 had still continued who knows how many countless other people would have died and Japan took this upon themselves by getting involved in the first place, if you attack another country then expect to be attacked. Maybe dropping an A Bomb was a bit harsh but look at Europe and Russia many more people killed by being bombed with just conventional bombs and alot more distruction. This was the quickest way to get some retribution for Pearl Harbor and if Japan had the technology you cannot tell us that they would not have used it any where they could.
 

Friday on my mind

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
Just for the record if you even just watch a movie like Tora,Tora,Tora you will see it was not suppose to be a sneak attack,or lets say they was suppose to be notice given to Washington that war might be forthcoming.And there was a great cultural divide and racism on both sides.Most Japanease thought american were lazy and not did not have the kind of discpline neccesary to have an effective army,while most americans thought one strapping american boy could whip 10 japs.They both found out how those notions were very far off.
And things like the death march which of course was atrocious again was fed by cultural differences.In the Japanease code you did not surrender(which was one of the reasons we ultimately used the A-Bomb on them) and anyone who did surrender was without honor and deserved no consideration.

As I in my earlier posts said I think the use of the bomb was ineviatable for various reasons.One we had spent plenty to develope it,two we knew the Japs were getting nore fierce as we got closer to home Islands and invasion would have been a blood bath and three we wanted to demonstrate our new super weapon primilarily to the Russians.
 

Violator79

Take a Hit, Spunker!
Just for the record if you even just watch a movie like Tora,Tora,Tora you will see it was not suppose to be a sneak attack..

I agree. The Admiral who planned the attack was against the attack and he respected America. He was educated here and knew an attack would wake up a sleeping giant.
 

squallumz

knows petras secret: she farted.
Sure Pearl Harbor was a genius move on Japan's part, but it also one big act of cowardice, but I'm sure you're still defending Japan and all their heroic people right?

Yes it was an attack on the naval base, but last time I checked, 2,413 American sailors and Marines were killed. Oh yeah, here's a fun fact for you: not only were we justified for dropping the A-bombs for Pearl Harbor alone, but ask any of the survivors that went through the death marches the Japanese put the POW's through.

The A-bomb was the grand finale to the biggest war in history. There could've been no other end for it.

cowardice? i think the atomic bomb was way more fucking cowardly than a sneak attack on lazy americans. compare the death counts. 2431 is nothing compared to the death count through hiroshima and nagasaki. i think it was something like over 220,000. not to mention they were all civilians!

the point is, its terrible whoevers side you're on. nuclear weapons are sickening, cowardly, and will be the worlds undoing- you can count on that.
 

Friday on my mind

Pain heals, chicks dig scars, Freeones lasts forever
I agree. The Admiral who planned the attack was against the attack and he respected America. He was educated here and knew an attack would wake up a sleeping giant.

He was for the attack but was very dismayed we had not been notified like had been planned and yes he did say by doing so they had awakened a sleeping giant.From the Japanease POV they had little choice but to attack us,we were preventing them from the accces to the resources they needed to be the major power of Asia they saw themselves destined to be.
 

Violator79

Take a Hit, Spunker!
cowardice? i think the atomic bomb was way more fucking cowardly than a sneak attack on lazy americans. compare the death counts. 2431 is nothing compared to the death count through hiroshima and nagasaki. i think it was something like over 220,000. not to mention they were all civilians!

the point is, its terrible whoevers side you're on. nuclear weapons are sickening, cowardly, and will be the worlds undoing- you can count on that.

You think Pearl Harbor wasn't cowardice? What history have you learned? Japan gave the U.S. NO WARNING before the attack. The U.S. told Japan we have these new weapons and we will use them. Japan didn't listen and called our bluff. We gave them every chance to end the war but they just kept on fighting.

Yes the bombs were dropped on civilians, civilians that were supporting the military and who would've joined in the fight if the invasion would've happened. If I'm not mistaking, civilains are killed in every war, so don't make the Japanese civilians the only victims of WW2. Ask the villiage of Lidice in the Czech Repubic that was wiped off the face of the Earth after Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated. The Nazis chose that villiage, among others as a site for revenge.
 

squallumz

knows petras secret: she farted.
no warning? "uh hey, were gonna come bomb you at 7am next sunday morning so be ready for us, thought we'd let u know." yeah right dude. thats not how wars are fought. hell thats not how anything is done. the next mma fight, at exactly 1:40 in the 1st round ima kick you in your head so, look out!

im sure all those radiated fused-together women and children would have picked up some assault rifles and took the next boat over the america to fight us too. 2,400 compared to 220,000. not to mention the years of radiation poisoning, cancers, and inhospitable environments. enough said.
 

bodie54

If FreeOnes was a woman, I'd marry her!
The historian Chalmers Johnson has written that: It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians [i.e. Soviet citizens]; the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers — and, in the case of the Japanese, as [forced] prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not Russia) you faced a 4% chance of not surviving the war; [by comparison] the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30%.

R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, states that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture." According to Rummel, in China alone, during 1937-45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and 10.2 millions in the course of the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

And after all that unspeakable carnage, 220,000 died to save God knows how many more; potentially millions.

Emporer Hirohito's chief advisor stated: "We of the (Japanese) peace party were assisted by the atomic bomb in our endeavor to end the war".
 

Apex

Do I look normal to you?
fuck, its only been forever
lets remember the losses the united states would have suffered if an invasion of mainland japan had to occur
 

Magnet

Offline? What's that?
no warning? "uh hey, were gonna come bomb you at 7am next sunday morning so be ready for us, thought we'd let u know." yeah right dude. thats not how wars are fought. hell thats not how anything is done. the next mma fight, at exactly 1:40 in the 1st round ima kick you in your head so, look out!

im sure all those radiated fused-together women and children would have picked up some assault rifles and took the next boat over the america to fight us too. 2,400 compared to 220,000. not to mention the years of radiation poisoning, cancers, and inhospitable environments. enough said.

Uhh...I think he means more like declare war on us first.

Dude calm down. Everyone knows it was bad and this this was a new weapon never before used. No one knew what it was capable of and no one knew what the after effects would be. What we do know is that at that moment it was a way better choice then invading Japan and having having millions of more deaths for both Japanese and Americans.

Its over and done with. You werent even alive when it happened, so please quit flipping out over it.
 

bombardier52

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave FreeOnes.
I think it is important to remember that the way war was waged by everyone in WWII was called "Total War." There was not as big a distinction between combatants and non combatants. Those non combatants were making the weapons of war that were used by the forces in the field and were, according to the doctrine of the day, legal targets.

Through today's lense that is just unacceptable but then it wasn't really questioned.

This thread has been just great and I am glad it was brought up again.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
fuck, its only been forever
lets remember the losses the united states would have suffered if an invasion of mainland japan had to occur

Don't forget every other nation's casualties. And, the Soviets were prepared to invade Japan at a whim, they had already invaded Manchuria. The A-Bomb ended the war, sure, but if it wasn't used Japan would have still fallen quickly. The Soviets from one side and the Americans/Australians/British/Chinese/Canadians/etc from the other?
 

Magnet

Offline? What's that?
Don't forget every other nation's casualties. And, the Soviets were prepared to invade Japan at a whim, they had already invaded Manchuria. The A-Bomb ended the war, sure, but if it wasn't used Japan would have still fallen quickly. The Soviets from one side and the Americans/Australians/British/Chinese/Canadians/etc from the other?

Exactly. Thats the point. If we choose to invade there are countless more deaths then the amount produced by the A-Bomb.
 

FatRalph

What are these words under my name?
I shook Paul Tibbets hand in 2000, glad to have done. My Dad and Uncle served in WWII. My uncle who is still alive served more combat days than anyone in the state of Illinois. He fought the japs,,,,,,,,, no foreign cars in my family.
 

jasonk282

Banned
pearl harbor was a genius move on their part. think about it. early, sunday morning, catch them unexpected (only americans would take a break from a war on sunday morning).

the strike wasnt intended to massacre a ton of people like the americas nuclear bombs, it was to disable the naval base. it was an attack on the ships and stockyards, not the navy men. of course, much respect to those men, but still, it was a completely different tactic than a fucking nuclear bomb. the bomb was dropped on civilians.


UM unless my history is wrong, we did go to war with Germany and Japan till AFTER 7 Dec, 1941. SOOOOOOOOOOOO apprenty America was not at war SOOOOOOOO how can we take a break from a war that were not in?
 
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