What do you think of the EU?

[Spreeuw]

Heey everyone,

Please note that this is not a Europe vs. the United States debate. Those are retard in my humble opinion. Europe and the US are allies. But I'm just curious what everyone thinks of the future of Europe, are you in favor of a Federal Europe or would you prefer an intergouvernmental Europe of 30 countries?
What do you think would be better for world politics? (Like the rise of China)

Personally I'm really pro a Federal Europe, although it will be a very long and tough way to get there... But perhaps, in a few decennia time it might just happen. I think it will greatly benefit the US-EU alliance, NATO and the position of the liberal democracies vis-a-vis the rest of the world.

Just to get you in the mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9lhoo8fZo&feature=related&fmt=18

 

[Hot Mega]

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[busenbust]

Federal Europe? In these hard times? If it happens -- goodbye Greece! and GB Ireland..and Portugal..and Spain.

 

[L3ggy]

I like my native continent.


Concerning the question, I'm that up-to-date in politics.

 

[Spreeuw]

Federal Europe? In these hard times? If it happens -- goodbye Greece! and GB Ireland..and Portugal..and Spain.

Yeah, well there could be a multi-speed Integration of Europe. Those ideas already excist since 1957 (Signing of the Treaties of Rome). The problem is that it is difficult to claim to be a political federation of democracies and then to reject others on economic grounds.
(But I agree with you that some countries are economicly damaging to the Euro)

 

[busenbust]

Yeah, well there could be a multi-speed Integration of Europe. Those ideas already excist since 1957 (Signing of the Treaties of Rome). The problem is that it is difficult to claim to be a political federation of democracies and then to reject others on economic grounds.
(But I agree with you that some countries are economicly damaging to the Euro)

agreed sir:thumbsup: but the eu is in a pickle now -- and they know it. And the euro is not helping -- although Germany will survive this. Bonne Chance France, Ireland, Portugal, Spain :1orglaugh - u will need it! :eek:

 

[FranklinWalker]

not bad

 

[robbied196]

Some countries may have benefited but overall its not working. At least Britain had the sense to stay out of the Euro, although we get inflicted with their inane, do goodie policies that seem to be derived to benefit the absolute minorities and fuck the majority. Another fuck fest for politicians to line their own pockets, we need the same scrutiny of MEP's expenses that we now have with UK MP's.

 

[Ulysses31]

Good in principle but gets abused by people in reality. There is freedom for EU citizens to move throughout the EU to find work so where will they go, countries like the UK where pay is much higher (especially when you convert it into their currency). I think a country should only employ foreign workers if they have special skills like engineers, IT experts or doctors etc. Here in the UK there are so many eastern europeans doing menial jobs like council workers, cleaners, ticket wardens or in retail etc. Don't get me wrong they don't cause any trouble and work hard but I'd rather see the layabouts in this country do those jobs or those who have been laid off and have mortgages to pay have the option of going for these jobs. Even when these migrants are paid they are unlikely to pump the money back into the UK economy but rather send back home to their native countries. This is from someone that is/was very pro-EU ant commenting on the reality of what they see. And don't get me started on the amount of Roma people that have come here since Romania was let in, nothing but trouble follows them.

 

[LukeEl]

Question here, when are you guys going to build giant robots that form into one robot?

 

[Spreeuw]

Good in principle but gets abused by people in reality. There is freedom for EU citizens to move throughout the EU to find work so where will they go, countries like the UK where pay is much higher (especially when you convert it into their currency). I think a country should only employ foreign workers if they have special skills like engineers, IT experts or doctors etc. Here in the UK there are so many eastern europeans doing menial jobs like council workers, cleaners, ticket wardens or in retail etc. Don't get me wrong they don't cause any trouble and work hard but I'd rather see the layabouts in this country do those jobs or those who have been laid off and have mortgages to pay have the option of going for these jobs. Even when these migrants are paid they are unlikely to pump the money back into the UK economy but rather send back home to their native countries. This is from someone that is/was very pro-EU ant commenting on the reality of what they see. And don't get me started on the amount of Roma people that have come here since Romania was let in, nothing but trouble follows them.

I know it can be frustrating that foreigner's have all the poor jobs and therefore also all the poor prospect (higher crime rate etc.). The problem is that West europe needs those people, we need a lot more workers to support our aging population.
And besides, study shows that it is aways benificial for a country to be welcome to immigrants, that is what makes states great. From Rome, to Genghis Kahn (Who was illiterate himself and employed immigrants everywhere) to the US (Where immigration is less problematized.)

 

[Ulysses31]

I know it can be frustrating that foreigner's have all the poor jobs and therefore also all the poor prospect (higher crime rate etc.). The problem is that West europe needs those people, we need a lot more workers to support our aging population.
And besides, study shows that it is aways benificial for a country to be welcome to immigrants, that is what makes states great. From Rome, to Genghis Kahn (Who was illiterate himself and employed immigrants everywhere) to the US (Where immigration is less problematized.)

I know what you mean, they work hard for little money doing the jobs the rest of us don't want to do. I just worry in the current economic climate you have so many people applying for each job they have little chance of getting it, and those with mortgages could lose their homes. Many of these migrants simply live on low rent (2-3 people to a room) and have the safety net of going back 'home' where they probably have a home and good finances if they fail to find employment here.

 

[Spreeuw]

I know what you mean, they work hard for little money doing the jobs the rest of us don't want to do. I just worry in the current economic climate you have so many people applying for each job they have little chance of getting it, and those with mortgages could lose their homes. Many of these migrants simply live on low rent (2-3 people to a room) and have the safety net of going back 'home' where they probably have a home and good finances if they fail to find employment here.

True, but I think when given the time the countries wil converge economicaly (Sorry for bad spelling). Already some new East European states are growing.
And I admit that they were added to the Union too soon, from an economic perspective. But politically it was very important, not only was the EU identified with liberal democracy (what those countries aspired to be) but it was also very important for Germany to have stable neighbours, and for France to have a balance in the EC and EP to Germany (besides the UK, who is traditionally more atlantic-focussed).
In the end, power politics wins over economic considerations. Sometimes that's a bad thing on the short term, I agree, but on the long term political stability and power (especially in a globalizing world) is more important)

 

[Supafly]

I can't see that coming soon. Germany makes way too much money buy selling weapons to both Turkey and Greece.

As of now, Turkey is booming like hell, around 10% last year. So maybe some other countries will instead join THEM :dunno:

 

[Spreeuw]

I don't the EU will grow fast either, but I think it will be good for Europe. When (and also a big if) all the european nation will unite, we will be a regional hegemon.
Therefor I think it's a good thing if it will happen (altough it might just be complete in 2050, or 2100 or never at all).

 

[vodkazvictim]

I'd like to see a united Europe if it wasn't for the fact that so far it's such a corrupt crock of shit that seemingly serves no purpose.

I still want a united Europe - but I want it done RIGHT, not like it's being done now.

 

[Friday on my mind]

I have always viewed europe as being similar to the to the US,except here we are one big country where there it was all separate states.Our being united has been a big advantage for us economically and europe being so splintered has been a big disadvantage for them IMO.So as I see it the EU is a very positive move for the europeans,for the US it may not be that great since we might lose the advantage we had.

 

[emceeemcee]

I'm largely ignorant of it. It's critics mostly seem to be reactionary looney tunes which makes me think theres probably something I'd like about the EU


that being said, the EU parliament looks like some kind of concellation prize for loser politicians who couldn't make it in their own countries.

 

[timon]

I think the EU is the best example for content full of people fighting each other since early history and now they are allies

 

[tartanterrier]

It seems like a million miles away despite the fact that it's just across the
sea :1orglaugh