why occupy wall street failed

[mrexcellent2190]

213. Because of their need for rebellion and for membership in a
movement, leftists or persons of similar psychological type are often
unattracted to a rebellious or activist movement whose goals and
membership are not initially leftist. The resulting influx of leftish
types can easily turn a non-leftist movement into a leftist one, so
that leftist goals replace or distort the original goals of the
movement.
214. To avoid this, a movement that exalts nature and opposes
technology must take a resolutely anti-leftist stance and must avoid
all collaboration with leftists. Leftism is in the long run
inconsistent with wild nature, with human freedom and with the
elimination of modern technology. Leftism is collectivist; it seeks to
bind together the entire world (both nature and the human race) into a
unified whole. But this implies management of nature and of human life
by organized society, and it requires advanced technology. You can't
have a united world without rapid transportation and communication,
you can't make all people love one another without sophisticated
psychological techniques, you can't have a "planned society" without
the necessary technological base. Above all, leftism is driven by the
need for power, and the leftist seeks power on a collective basis,
through identification with a mass movement or an organization.
Leftism is unlikely ever to give up technology, because technology is
too valuable a source of collective power.
"unabomber"
born with iq of 165 attended harvard and became berkleys youngest prof at 21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18p23-mE4e0

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Because they're spoiled assholes. They believed they were entitled from birth instead of actually working towards a goal. They failed because they acted like a bunch of stupid animals who didn't know better than to not shit where they eat. Tea Party conventions and protests don't require "rape free" zones or constant observation by authorities. 1500+ arrests over a three year period vs. 50 total arrests is a pretty glaring statistic, too.

The Tea Party believes in the rule of law.
Occupy breaks the law to make their point.
The Tea Party believes the individual is the heart of the constitutional republic.
Occupy believes government is the heart of democracy.
The Tea Party wants to save the country.
Occupy participants say they want to save themselves.

The Tea Party believes it’s fair that a limited government frees the individual to fulfill ambitions, become productive and enjoy the fruits of their labor.
Occupy believes in a government that forcefully takes the fruits of someone’s labor and gives it to someone else in the name of fairness.

The Tea Party believes people should be able to give to the charity of their choice.
Occupy believes government is a charity.
The Tea Party believes most people in the top 1% of US taxpayers worked hard to get there.
Occupy believes a person in the top 1% of US taxpayers must have stolen something from them to get there.

The Tea Party understands people work their way up to becoming wealthy but may not stay there.
Occupy believes that once a rich person always a rich person.

The Tea Party believes that 1% paying nearly 40% of all income taxes is enough.
Occupy believes they don’t pay enough.

The Tea Party believes that with limited government there’s room for people of any class to prosper and grow more productive.
Occupy believes there’s a finite number of dollars , someone has their money and they’re stuck being in the 99%.

The Tea Party organizers signed their names on permits and paid for liability insurance.
Occupy refused to name leaders or get permits for fear of responsibility and liability.

The Tea Party was said to be carrying guns; a constitutional right.
Occupy reported a rape of one of their campers.

The Tea Party has been called racist for not having enough black and brown people represented but black and brown members are consistently called sell outs, Uncle Toms or worse.
Occupy has few black or brown people and no one questions it.

The Tea Party believes people are responsible to pay back their college loans.
Occupy believes it’s unfair people should have to pay back their loans.
The Tea Party believes government intervention has distorted and increased the costs of college.
Occupy believes greedy tax payers haven’t paid enough to give them free education.

 

[sean miguel]

^ you f'n nailed it.

:clap:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ace Boobtoucher again.

 

[mrexcellent2190]

12. Those who are most sensitive about "politically incorrect"
terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant,
abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of
whom do not even belong to any "oppressed" group but come from
privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold
among university professors, who have secure employment with
comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, white
males from middle-class families.
"unabomber"
born with iq of 165 attended harvard and became berkleys youngest prof at 21

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-hit-where-it-hurts

 

[mrexcellent2190]

most of what ace said is true but occupy and tea party believe very similar things

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

The only overlap between the two is the belief that the bailouts were horseshit. Other than that, there could not be two movements more diametrically opposed anywhere.

 

[mrexcellent2190]

yes but that overlap is very important and makes a very big impact. regardless of what you believe about college the wealthy etc they had the same views on the federal reserve and that is what counts

 

[sean miguel]

I think not raping people counts more.

 

[mikexmoran]

still don't know what their goal was

 

[D-rock]

The real reason it failed is because in most David vs. Goliath type stories Goliath almost always wins. It's as simple as that. When normal people go up against the elite and businesses they are going to get crushed most of the time. It's hard to win when your trying to play a game where your opponent is the one that gets to make the rules up.

I must say though that ol Ace up there is getting to be an expert in a combination of cherry picked evidence and rationals that don't coincide with reality which most of his tea party points are. While I have no doubt that out of some of the protesters where just dumb spoiled kids, the ideal that the entirety of the movement was made up of that or they didn't have a lot of reasonable gripes about our system is ludicrous. A last they have much more of a point than people that want to treat and blindly follow a flawed economic system like it's a religion that magically makes everybody better and that's fair when just about the entirety of our history has shown the opposite.

 

[bobjustbob]

still don't know what their goal was

Best answer so far. All we heard was their complaints. It was like a bunch of school kids that walk out of the lunch room because they don't like the cafeteria food. Organize the protest but can't organize the solution.

 

[DP_LOVER]

The real reason it failed is because in most David vs. Goliath type stories Goliath almost always wins. It's as simple as that. When normal people go up against the elite and businesses they are going to get crushed most of the time. It's hard to win when your trying to play a game where your opponent is the one that gets to make the rules up.

I must say though that ol Ace up there is getting to be an expert in a combination of cherry picked evidence and rationals that don't coincide with reality which most of his tea party points are. While I have no doubt that out of some of the protesters where just dumb spoiled kids, the ideal that the entirety of the movement was made up of that or they didn't have a lot of reasonable gripes about our system is ludicrous. A last they have much more of a point than people that want to treat and blindly follow a flawed economic system like it's a religion that magically makes everybody better and that's fair when just about the entirety of our history has shown the opposite.

^This

Some of the 'reasons' given by Ace are just bollocks.

Occupy failed because it never stood a chance against the might of US capitalism. But at least they gave it a go. Through their actions more people who are disillusioned with the mass inequalities with the system will hopefully have been inspired to not just sit idly by but to try and make a change.

 

[xfire]

Because they're spoiled assholes. They believed they were entitled from birth instead of actually working towards a goal. They failed because they acted like a bunch of stupid animals who didn't know better than to not shit where they eat. Tea Party conventions and protests don't require "rape free" zones or constant observation by authorities. 1500+ arrests over a three year period vs. 50 total arrests is a pretty glaring statistic, too.

The Tea Party believes in the rule of law.
Occupy breaks the law to make their point.
The Tea Party believes the individual is the heart of the constitutional republic.
Occupy believes government is the heart of democracy.
The Tea Party wants to save the country.
Occupy participants say they want to save themselves.

The Tea Party believes it’s fair that a limited government frees the individual to fulfill ambitions, become productive and enjoy the fruits of their labor.
Occupy believes in a government that forcefully takes the fruits of someone’s labor and gives it to someone else in the name of fairness.

The Tea Party believes people should be able to give to the charity of their choice.
Occupy believes government is a charity.
The Tea Party believes most people in the top 1% of US taxpayers worked hard to get there.
Occupy believes a person in the top 1% of US taxpayers must have stolen something from them to get there.

The Tea Party understands people work their way up to becoming wealthy but may not stay there.
Occupy believes that once a rich person always a rich person.

The Tea Party believes that 1% paying nearly 40% of all income taxes is enough.
Occupy believes they don’t pay enough.

The Tea Party believes that with limited government there’s room for people of any class to prosper and grow more productive.
Occupy believes there’s a finite number of dollars , someone has their money and they’re stuck being in the 99%.

The Tea Party organizers signed their names on permits and paid for liability insurance.
Occupy refused to name leaders or get permits for fear of responsibility and liability.

The Tea Party was said to be carrying guns; a constitutional right.
Occupy reported a rape of one of their campers.

The Tea Party has been called racist for not having enough black and brown people represented but black and brown members are consistently called sell outs, Uncle Toms or worse.
Occupy has few black or brown people and no one questions it.

The Tea Party believes people are responsible to pay back their college loans.
Occupy believes it’s unfair people should have to pay back their loans.
The Tea Party believes government intervention has distorted and increased the costs of college.
Occupy believes greedy tax payers haven’t paid enough to give them free education.

Nice impersonation of Sam Fisher, even to the point of forgetting to credit the original source- http://www.victoriataft.com/some-differences-between-tea-party-and-occupy/

tsk tsk.

 

[BlkHawk]

The real reason it failed is because in most David vs. Goliath type stories Goliath almost always wins. It's as simple as that. When normal people go up against the elite and businesses they are going to get crushed most of the time. It's hard to win when your trying to play a game where your opponent is the one that gets to make the rules up.

I must say though that ol Ace up there is getting to be an expert in a combination of cherry picked evidence and rationals that don't coincide with reality which most of his tea party points are. While I have no doubt that out of some of the protesters where just dumb spoiled kids, the ideal that the entirety of the movement was made up of that or they didn't have a lot of reasonable gripes about our system is ludicrous. A last they have much more of a point than people that want to treat and blindly follow a flawed economic system like it's a religion that magically makes everybody better and that's fair when just about the entirety of our history has shown the opposite.

:goodpost: "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to D-rock again"
You summed up my views of it quite nicely.

 

[Ovidius]

Chanting in the streets accomplished nothing. In order to do that you need organization and financing.

But regarding individualism, the people in power love individualism because it keeps 'the small people' disorganized and harmless. But try to get them to stop meeting behind closed doors.

 

[Rey C.]

213. Because of their need for rebellion and for membership in a
movement, leftists or persons of similar psychological type are often
unattracted to a rebellious or activist movement whose goals and
membership are not initially leftist. The resulting influx of leftish
types can easily turn a non-leftist movement into a leftist one, so
that leftist goals replace or distort the original goals of the
movement.
214. To avoid this, a movement that exalts nature and opposes
technology must take a resolutely anti-leftist stance and must avoid
all collaboration with leftists. Leftism is in the long run
inconsistent with wild nature, with human freedom and with the
elimination of modern technology. Leftism is collectivist; it seeks to
bind together the entire world (both nature and the human race) into a
unified whole. But this implies management of nature and of human life
by organized society, and it requires advanced technology. You can't
have a united world without rapid transportation and communication,
you can't make all people love one another without sophisticated
psychological techniques, you can't have a "planned society" without
the necessary technological base. Above all, leftism is driven by the
need for power, and the leftist seeks power on a collective basis,
through identification with a mass movement or an organization.
Leftism is unlikely ever to give up technology, because technology is
too valuable a source of collective power.
"unabomber"
born with iq of 165 attended harvard and became berkleys youngest prof at 21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18p23-mE4e0

Some good points are made in your post.

As for comparisons to the TEA party, one must remember that the one thing these two movements have in common is that neither is just one organization. There is a variety of different TEA party groups around the U.S. and there is a variety of different Occupy movements around the world. To speak about either movement as if it is singular or has some sort of centralized goal, message or organization misses that point. Even though I make the error and do it too, there is no "the" TEA party or just one Occupy movement. But I also think, and agree with your point, that lack of a focused message is one reason why neither movement is all that effective, but instead just makes a lot of noise. There are politicians who have been shrewd enough to jump on the TEA party bandwagon and have managed to get themselves elected to Congress. But what have they actually accomplished? What have they made better? A trained monkey can point out a problem or complain. But it takes someone (or a bunch of someones) who has problem solving skills and a measure of diplomacy and reasonableness to actually fix things. Neither the Occupy movement nor the TEA party seems to have enough of those kinds of people in leadership positions that they will ever accomplish anything meaningful, IMO.

In my view, both the TEA party(s) and the Occupy movement(s) are just examples of the old saying, "When in danger... when in doubt... run in circles, scream and shout."