Women wanna be shaped like tubes?

[Mr_Balls]

This confirms it,
if my lady feels uncomfortable working out with me.
We won't work out.

 

[Petra]

Yep...there definitely is a lot of pressure. Thats why I love the Dove campaign so much, because they realized the flaw in the messages being sent out from various mediums of entertainment and advertising, and are trying to reverse it. Its nice seeing a plus sized woman with stretchmarks featured in their ads...because thats what real looks like. But I agree with you, I think women who want to be thin are mostly doing it because of constantly hearing men be critical of the female body with their preferences, and seeing beauty and perfection everywhere in movies, tv, music, porn, advertising etc etc etc.

I do know things are changing in the model world. More "real" girls are being hired and France did pass a law about minimum weight of a model. But honestly, I think it's too little too late to fix the damage we're doing to today's girls.

Here the other day I saw a documentary where an 8 year old girl felt the need to diet. She was fucking EIGHT. She did end up developing anorexia and had to be sent to a special program with 13-18 year olds for her eating disorder.

She didn't even know WHY she was doing it to herself. And the clinic that did the special in patient program said in the last few years they're starting to get girls 6-10 more and more often.

This is totally right, but I think it's even more insidious than this. From day #1 out of the womb, we're bombarded with ideas about ideal body shape and gender stereotypes. Let's make barbie the right shape, make sure boys play with easy bake ovens, and all play with play dough more often.

I fucking hate bullshit like this.

Know what's sad? It really wasn't until the 18th centuary, perhaps very early 19th that "skinny" became beautiful. If you go and look at ancient, renaissance and medieval art, it all featured real women. You wern't size 0 unless you were poor or genetically cursed.

Big, child bearing hips and a little extra cushioning was what men wanted.

Now that's considered fat.

Sad.

 

[meesterperfect]

I think some of you are over-analizing it.

they're fat, they're not feminine they've simply given up trying to look good so they say " I want to look like this".
but thats a cop out.
add to that the fact that men are so lame these days that they treat white women like the queens of the universe.
Even the most unatractive ,miserable to be around women have men trying to get with them, treating them like they are sooooo special.........so there is no longer any incentive to look attractive.

If men would stop treating all women like they're so great regardless of how they really are maybe then women in the usa and europe would lose some weight and start looking like women again.
also stop being such miserable people to be around.

funny though, where I live, opposite land, its the women who do everything they can to look great while the men look like sickly shitbags.

 

[Petra]

I think some of you are over-analizing it.

they're fat, they're not feminine they've simply given up trying to look good so they say " I want to look like this".
but thats a cop out.
add to that the fact that men are so lame these days that they treat white women like the queens of the universe.
Even the most unatractive ,miserable to be around women have men trying to get with them, treating them like they are sooooo special.........so there is no longer any incentive to look attractive.

If men would stop treating all women like they're so great regardless of how they really are maybe then women in the usa and europe would lose some weight and start looking like women again.
also stop being such miserable people to be around.

funny though, where I live, opposite land, its the women who do everything they can to look great while the men look like sickly shitbags.

Honestly, I don't it's over analyzing. The fact is, when I turn on TV I get bombarded with all sorts of adverts saying that I need to do this, that, or the other to be beautiful.

Look at TV shows. How many "plus size" girls/women are used? I'm not even talking fat. I'm talking the size 12, 14, 16 or 18 women?

Unfortunately in this day and age, if you're not 0-5 (which is comepletely unobtainable for most women due to genetic makeup) you're FAT and UNDESIRABLE.

And the fact is, men will never see it like us women do because there is zero pressure from society or media to be skinny and beautiful.

 

[Facetious]

OH, NOOO! It's PAT!!!:eek:


No. Thank You.

Its like the guys in the gym who workout like pussys, no balls, no heart.
Its because they have no fortitude, but when asked , "why don't you try to go a little heavier" they say, "Because I don't want to get that big".
But its really because theyre just Nancy boy gutless fruity jerkoffs who can't take the pain and puss out after a few reps.

Maybe these ''nancy-boy'' kinds of lifters you type of are working out for endurance as opposed to brute studly strength, you know, they might be into competitive cycling, futbol, long distance running or maybe chasing gazelles. :dunno:

Hey, meester, I like that no balls > no heart attitude, especially when working out at home alone with nobody to spot me . . . aww, man, now I gotta let the iron slide off the bar and crash to the ground on my right side and not a second later, crash to the ground on my left side . . Cling . . clonk crash! :sigh:

Sure beats being asphyxiated

 

[meesterperfect]

Honestly, I don't it's over analyzing. The fact is, when I turn on TV I get bombarded with all sorts of adverts saying that I need to do this, that, or the other to be beautiful.

Look at TV shows. How many "plus size" girls/women are used? I'm not even talking fat. I'm talking the size 12, 14, 16 or 18 women?

Unfortunately in this day and age, if you're not 0-5 (which is comepletely unobtainable for most women due to genetic makeup) you're FAT and UNDESIRABLE.

And the fact is, men will never see it like us women do because there is zero pressure from society or media to be skinny and beautiful.

I disagree Petra, well maybe not.
sure the toob mostly shows people who look decent, healthy.
thats the way its always been since recorded history.


so why now do you think its some kind of added pressure 2011 style?

I don't know where you live but the last time I was in the states I think maybe 10% of the women I saw were not overweight.
So what effect is all this pressure having? to me its obvious not much.
I know the reason why people , especially in the states and especially women in the states have given up on their bodies, and started using too much make-up is because men, society have been kissing their asses for a long time now.
putting them on a pedestal more and more as time goes by that most simply have no incentive to look good anymore.
Like I said, even the nastiest, most miserable woman there can get a man who's willing to put up with her bad body and her bullshit just to get some poontang.

I mean is there really that much pressure on women there these days or is there such little pressure that most have just stop caring?

 

[Atar554]

yes but how do fashion designers expect people to "get" their clothing ideas and eventually purchase a piece if you can't see how it'd fit on a normal sized woman? I've seen runway shows in person and I honestly can't tell how an item of clothing would look on my size 6 frame because it looks limp and lifeless on the size 0 runway model. It'd make more common sense to have a variety of different sizes on the runway to model clothing because then the everyday woman can get a better idea of what the item of clothing would look like on their body. It'd bring fresh new life to fashion IMO and could only improve the appearance of a designers work of art.

True but I think it's the point of having one type of canvas. Designers will occasionally strike out and try a new shape of woman (a different medium or material to work) but most will stick to what is seen as the base fundamental. Even Pollock painted abstract art on a plain canvas.

Now I'm playing devil's advocate here and I agree with where you're coming from. But I just don't think designers have the capacity to see it that way. They make clothing, not women. Most of it is never meant for the average person anyways. They want a closet of clothing with legs to walk out and show the patterns and textures they put their time into. They don't want anyone thinking;
"Wow she's fucking hot, and the dress ain't bad."
imo they are going for;
"Wow that dress is amazing, how was it made? What is it made of?"

I disagree Petra, well maybe not.
sure the toob mostly shows people who look decent, healthy.
thats the way its always been since recorded history.


so why now do you think its some kind of added pressure 2011 style?

I don't know where you live but the last time I was in the states I think maybe 10% of the women I saw were not overweight.
So what effect is all this pressure having? to me its obvious not much.
I know the reason why people , especially in the states and especially women in the states have given up on their bodies, and started using too much make-up is because men, society have been kissing their asses for a long time now.
putting them on a pedestal more and more as time goes by that most simply have no incentive to look good anymore.
Like I said, even the nastiest, most miserable woman there can get a man who's willing to put up with her bad body and her bullshit just to get some poontang.

I mean is there really that much pressure on women there these days or is there such little pressure that most have just stop caring?

For this I think we need to define what "pressure" really means. Social pressures or self-esteem issues? Cultural differences?

For instance we are seeing more and more heavier ..people in general around the world as they begin to Westernize to an American type diet. French women for instance aren't genetically thin. They just don't have access to a lot of the processed foods and fast food America has. Chain restaurants in America have killed the local food market which is typically healthier. Coupled with jobs that are typically not as physical as they used to be if at all.

Social norms have relaxed as far as divorce and employment and child bearing etc... That could eliminate the idea that women need to get a man to secure their futures vis a vis they have more options and don't all go the same path of looking to what men think is ideal.

There's also the issue of body weight. What is considered "overweight" and "obese" can be inaccurate depending on how it's measured; for instance BMI is completely inaccurate.

In a way what I'm hinting at is while you can argue there's less direct pressure on women to just look "good". There's the pressure of being corporate or self reliant financially, bearing children, keeping a man, having children, and being feminine in general while being an "equal".

In that case it's purely a matter of perspective and how well people cope with their situations and stressors.

 

[Petra]

I disagree Petra, well maybe not.
sure the toob mostly shows people who look decent, healthy.
thats the way its always been since recorded history.


so why now do you think its some kind of added pressure 2011 style?

I don't know where you live but the last time I was in the states I think maybe 10% of the women I saw were not overweight.
So what effect is all this pressure having? to me its obvious not much.
I know the reason why people , especially in the states and especially women in the states have given up on their bodies, and started using too much make-up is because men, society have been kissing their asses for a long time now.
putting them on a pedestal more and more as time goes by that most simply have no incentive to look good anymore.
Like I said, even the nastiest, most miserable woman there can get a man who's willing to put up with her bad body and her bullshit just to get some poontang.

I mean is there really that much pressure on women there these days or is there such little pressure that most have just stop caring?

So let me ask you this, since overweight means different things to different people...even BMI is wrong most of the time...what is overweight to you? I'm not talking about those that are morbidly obese or are obviously fat. There's so many women that guys say "eeeewwwww, she's fat" over who are perfectly healthy for their height and weight.
And, those that look thin aren't necessarily healthy. Looks are deceptive.