My thoughts about Pierre Woodman

[VillellaMcMeans]

All the videos I seen from him have been good, no dumb music and less stupid dialog, so I don't care what he like in real life...

 

[John_8581]

Offtopic.

Hmmm. I personally like the scene in The Bridge On the River Kwai with Alec Guinness and William Holden ...

Or the scene with Clint Eastwood and Shirley MacLaine in Two Mules for Sister Sara ...

 

[smf333]

All the videos I seen from him have been good, no dumb music and less stupid dialog, so I don't care what he like in real life...

That's the problem VillellaMcMeans. Everyone sees the results and don't care about the man or his methods. I'm sure most guys would change their views about him if it were their sisters or their daughters that were being sodomized by this guy.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

That's the problem VillellaMcMeans. Everyone sees the results and don't care about the man or his methods. I'm sure most guys would change their views about him if it were their sisters or their daughters that were being sodomized by this guy.

I agree with you. Of course victims and families of victims will hate the ones victimizing, and as they should - and if they encourage others to hate too, I agree they should be able to add well.

But every individual ultimately makes the choice themselves whether to cancel something, me personally I'm not ready to cancel Woodman over this - he didn't rape anyone, he is a creep yeah, but not a rapist or anything else that gets me angry enough to boycott him.

What you said about if having someone you know being victimized by Woodman would definitely make you happy him more - but I just don't have sympathy for the girls that had put themselves into that position to be preyed upon in first place.

I love porn and whores as much as the next guy if not more, but that definitely does not mean I would be alright with people I care about being porstars or hookers, that's just the truth of the situation. It's a tough job and somebody's got to to it, but I just don't want that person to be someone I'm related to.

Plus, in Woodman case here, I'm not able to hear what Woodman response is to these actuations are - so it's harder to care when I don't know story first hand as well.

 

[smf333]

I agree with you. Of course victims and families of victims will hate the ones victimizing, and as they should - and if they encourage others to hate too, I agree they should be able to add well.

But every individual ultimately makes the choice themselves whether to cancel something, me personally I'm not ready to cancel Woodman over this - he didn't rape anyone, he is a creep yeah, but not a rapist or anything else that gets me angry enough to boycott him.

What you said about if having someone you know being victimized by Woodman would definitely make you happy him more - but I just don't have sympathy for the girls that had put themselves into that position to be preyed upon in first place.

I love porn and whores as much as the next guy if not more, but that definitely does not mean I would be alright with people I care about being porstars or hookers, that's just the truth of the situation. It's a tough job and somebody's got to to it, but I just don't want that person to be someone I'm related to.

Plus, in Woodman case here, I'm not able to hear what Woodman response is to these actuations are - so it's harder to care when I don't know story first hand as well.

I completely understand where you're coming form. I too (although I haven't said it here) have less than complete sympathy for most of the models who have been used by Pierre. Indeed the model I am a fan of (I feel) let herself down by allowing him to sodomize her, particularly as she had a boyfriend at the time and she effectively "cheated" on him. She agreed to do what she did and she could have just said no and left, so yes you are right to blame them as they were willing partners. I'd just like to say here that I'm not accusing Pierre of raping or doing anything "illegal", I have absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. People on the Pornbox forum where I mainly post make accusations and comments against him that suggest otherwise. Although they are "in the industry" and know more about him than I as I said, I personally have no evidence against him, so I wouldn't accuse him of that.
But.
I too have had a subscription at his site to find out information about the model mentioned above and although 'casting' and anal sex is not my thing, I made myself watch as many of his movies as I could possibly stomach so that I could get an idea about what happened during her casting. I also spent many hours looking through his forum, reading the stories behind the movies that I had seen. Now, although many of the movies had been staged, many had not. I've been able to track down some of these models, most of which never appeared again in the adult industry and point-blank refused to let Woodman show their "casting". Most of these women would not agree to talk with me about Woodman at all, but I have had two who told me that yes they did have sex with him but they wouldn't speak of him personally or anything of their experience. Now I know that's not damning evidence, but I've spoken to other models about other producers such a Viv Thomas and had no problem getting glowing memories and thoughts of him from them. A completely different atmosphere if you get me?

As we've seen recently, many actresses were abused by Harvey Weinstein. In many cases, he did nothing "illegal", in fact, he did much less than what Pierre Woodman has actually admitted to both in his forum and on film. But, because these women are working in the 'porn' industry they seem to be fair game. It's easy for us to sit here at our keyboards discussing what's right and wrong with what these women have done, but if we were put in their situation at that time and at their age with such a master manipulator as Pierre Woodman, things might not be so clear cut. All these women have families, husbands, mums, dads, brothers. Many of them now have children, the model I spoke with who wouldn't talk to me about him has an 8-month-old daughter now. Although they didn't think about it at the time their one manipulated mistake just might end up on the internet one day for their kids to see. How would you feel seeing someone you cared for being sodomized by Pierre Woodman? That thought makes my flesh crawl. I know you're not interested in the why's and what for's, but all I would ask of you would be to look deeper into the person you are supporting by being a member. You obviously care about your relatives, just please remember that these models despite their faults have them too.

By the way, thanks for not being an arrogant S.O.B. with your answer, I was expecting it.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

I completely understand where you're coming form. I too (although I haven't said it here) have less than complete sympathy for most of the models who have been used by Pierre. Indeed the model I am a fan of (I feel) let herself down by allowing him to sodomize her, particularly as she had a boyfriend at the time and she effectively "cheated" on him. She agreed to do what she did and she could have just said no and left, so yes you are right to blame them as they were willing partners. I'd just like to say here that I'm not accusing Pierre of raping or doing anything "illegal", I have absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. People on the Pornbox forum where I mainly post make accusations and comments against him that suggest otherwise. Although they are "in the industry" and know more about him than I as I said, I personally have no evidence against him, so I wouldn't accuse him of that.
But.
I too have had a subscription at his site to find out information about the model mentioned above and although 'casting' and anal sex is not my thing, I made myself watch as many of his movies as I could possibly stomach so that I could get an idea about what happened during her casting. I also spent many hours looking through his forum, reading the stories behind the movies that I had seen. Now, although many of the movies had been staged, many had not. I've been able to track down some of these models, most of which never appeared again in the adult industry and point-blank refused to let Woodman show their "casting". Most of these women would not agree to talk with me about Woodman at all, but I have had two who told me that yes they did have sex with him but they wouldn't speak of him personally or anything of their experience. Now I know that's not damning evidence, but I've spoken to other models about other producers such a Viv Thomas and had no problem getting glowing memories and thoughts of him from them. A completely different atmosphere if you get me?

As we've seen recently, many actresses were abused by Harvey Weinstein. In many cases, he did nothing "illegal", in fact, he did much less than what Pierre Woodman has actually admitted to both in his forum and on film. But, because these women are working in the 'porn' industry they seem to be fair game. It's easy for us to sit here at our keyboards discussing what's right and wrong with what these women have done, but if we were put in their situation at that time and at their age with such a master manipulator as Pierre Woodman, things might not be so clear cut. All these women have families, husbands, mums, dads, brothers. Many of them now have children, the model I spoke with who wouldn't talk to me about him has an 8-month-old daughter now. Although they didn't think about it at the time their one manipulated mistake just might end up on the internet one day for their kids to see. How would you feel seeing someone you cared for being sodomized by Pierre Woodman? That thought makes my flesh crawl. I know you're not interested in the why's and what for's, but all I would ask of you would be to look deeper into the person you are supporting by being a member. You obviously care about your relatives, just please remember that these models despite their faults have them too.

By the way, thanks for not being an arrogant S.O.B. with your answer, I was expecting it.

No problem, civil discussion is always best, and I hope not to be uncivil if I can help it.

I understand what you're saying, for me the Weinstein situation is similar, and of course victims are victims - it's not that I don't believe any of it happens, I just think it's for the friends and relatives to get revenge, not for me.

I don't really care, honestly, about people I don't know personally - so I really don't care who Weinstein or Woodman or Kevin Spacey creeped on, if I like their movies I'll keep watching them. But I don't feel I'm supporting them just by watching their movies, it's not like I'm joining their fan clubs.

As for what you said about those girls having families etc, I agree that it's horrible for the victims and their loved ones, and if I read in paper that Woodman was beat up or killed by the victims or by the victims lived ones etc I would definitely sympathize with the victims - but I guess the bottom line is I just don't care or sympathize with strangers.

 

[my2cents]

I know this thread is a bit old now but I'd like to point out one or two things I've come across while I've been studying this guy. I run my own blog dedicated to Eufrat mai. I've been looking back at her career finding shoot locations and doing commentaries on some of her films. I've recently become aware of an incident that occurred during 2006 which abruptly saw her quit doing B/G scenes with her boyfriend. As it turns out, she had one of these castings with Pierre Woodman just before her scenes with her boyfriend ended.
To cut a long story short (and ruin my upcoming blog!) I joined WoodmanX despite my disinterest in his site to see if I was wrong to have my suspicions about him.
He has a very clever, very subtle technique in which to make women believe they can trust him. He's had almost 30 years to perfect this technique and it really works, on real women. I know 'bloupbloup' is going to disagree with me here, but his technique is genuine and very powerful. I have no doubt that the vast majority of women that roll up to his "castings" have no idea that they are going to end up with his dick in their bottom. He is that convincing, even I began to like the guy. Don't get me wrong, what he does is far from rape, most of these women are willing. Whether it's the guarantee of money or his notoriety I don't but it works on them. A point that bloupbloup noted about not providing enemas. He does this I'm pretty sure in the cut between the interview and the actual sex scenes. This he would have to do or it would be very messy! His technique of stretching their anuses is valid too. By taking their mind off his finger going into their backsides he gives them intense oral and nipple stimulation which I have to admit is the correct thing to do. So I can believe him when he says that he can get women who don't enjoy anal to enjoy it, that's why you can sort of "like" the guy.
But when you look at this properly his moral compass is way off. For instance, one girl went to him Jita, Jitka was her name I think. From his own description of her, it was clear the woman wasn't hooked up right at all mentally. Instead of either sending her on her way or getting her proper help, he put her in touch with a rich friend of his ((?)) then complained when she ended up an alcoholic blaming him for her troubles! Small things he says in his comments about the women he seduces, speaking about them as if they have little no value. He is the center of all discussion, he makes sure everybody sees him in the webcam interviews, even though it's the models that everyone has joined to see.
Similarly, his online shops. All about Pierre, nothing not one thing in the shop is about the people that made him his money. In all, I'd like to like him, but that little niggling voice in the back of my head just keeps whispering narcissist.

"Technique"? You can't be a serious blogger featuring sex acts if you think Pierre Woodman is seducing these girls. For whatever reason, they know exactly why they are there. I don't have much respect for any aspiring porn actress to succumb to having sex with a hairy, fat, short dick guy to further her career. Woodman has outlived his time. He needs to retire. Recently, Rocco Siffredi has moved into that class also.

 

[FreeOnes_Adam]

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[Johan]

"Technique"? You can't be a serious blogger featuring sex acts if you think Pierre Woodman is seducing these girls. For whatever reason, they know exactly why they are there. I don't have much respect for any aspiring porn actress to succumb to having sex with a hairy, fat, short dick guy to further her career. Woodman has outlived his time. He needs to retire. Recently, Rocco Siffredi has moved into that class also.

Rocco has retired. Several times. But he can't help but come back in the industry. He'll retire once and fo all onlyhen he won't be able to get a hard-on.


Anyways, back to Woodman, Whatever he says, theres no way his "castings" are true, genuine. I'm 100% sure he does not convince girl to have anal sex, that it's all set days before.
And since I haven't heard about any girl in the industry accusing him of any wrongdoing. I trust him to be clean (and, being french I occasionely watches Manuel Ferrara's "just talk" sessions on Twitch he sometimes mentions Pierre but he never has anything bad to say about him (and I know Manuel's the kind of guy with a moral compass, for example he's the kind of guy who refuses to work with Piper Perri because of her "barely legal" gimmick).

Show me someone in the industry who's telling otherwise about Pierre and I might change my mind.

 

[Steve-FreeOnes]

Porn acting.

 

[smf333]

Rocco has retired. Several times. But he can't help but come back in the industry. He'll retire once and fo all onlyhen he won't be able to get a hard-on.


Anyways, back to Woodman, Whatever he says, theres no way his "castings" are true, genuine. I'm 100% sure he does not convince girl to have anal sex, that it's all set days before.
And since I haven't heard about any girl in the industry accusing him of any wrongdoing. I trust him to be clean (and, being french I occasionely watches Manuel Ferrara's "just talk" sessions on Twitch he sometimes mentions Pierre but he never has anything bad to say about him (and I know Manuel's the kind of guy with a moral compass, for example he's the kind of guy who refuses to work with Piper Perri because of her "barely legal" gimmick).

Show me someone in the industry who's telling otherwise about Pierre and I might change my mind.

Hi Johan,

Post-2017 I agree with you that all his castings are (largely) fixed mainly because the two models Lana Rhodes and Serenity Haze both accused him of wrongdoing. Now whether you believe these two women is a matter of opinion, but one fact remains in his Serenity Haze video that proves he's not a legit porn director. When she tells him to stop he just keeps trying to press the issue which is something he should not have done. If someone tells you to stop, (especially in the porn industry) you stop. Anything more is abuse simple fact. That's why he only works out of Budapest because he can get away with that shit there, and although they haven't charged Woodman with anything, he'll never set foot back in the U.S. or probably most of Western Europe for that matter. As for Lana Rhodes, she claimed that after agreeing to have sex, Woodman sprung another couple of guys on her that wasn't agreed on before the shoot. She "claims" she left the hotel running for her life. Again you may believe it, you may not. But back in 2002, he cast a later famous model by the name of Marketa Belonoha. (Marketa B on his site) She had never done hardcore before but Woodman got her to do an "initiation". She was supposed to do another B/G scene for him but on arrival, she was confronted by 3 men! She ran from the hotel and never spoke to Woodman again, and she never signed her release for her casting to be shown, although Woodman's story is that he won't show it out of "respect" for her. Bullshit. That was the end of her hardcore career as it was for many other girls after seeing Woodman. She isn't the only one who has refused to let her "casting" scene to be shown either, Suzie Carina, Gabriella (Woodman's own assistant) Eufrat, Dominika, Claudia Ricci, the list goes on and on. I've been in touch with probably two dozen of these models and others and yes you're right NONE of them have said Woodman did anything "illegal" to them. But non of them sang his praises either. I got the very distinct impression that none of them wanted to talk about him at all. Now that's just my personal view, but they were happy to talk about any other directors, that to me say's a lot. Most of what he "gets away with" is pasted over with copious amounts of cash. There are those that say he blackmails and threatens women, but to be honest I don't believe that's his way of operating, although when you read his forum and see some of the things he posts I wouldn't be at all surprised if the stories were true.

Pre-2017 for sure many of his castings were genuine with models often turning up without a clue thinking that they were going for a "soft" casting. Many of these women ended up being brutally sodomized. Don't get me wrong, I think many of these women have only themselves to blame for allowing themselves to be tricked, or bribed into performing for him. But as we've seen in many of the cases with mainstream movie directors who have gone to prison, you don't have to physically rape someone for it to be wrong, and that is exactly where Woodman falls in my view. It's the man's morals. He had a model's mother contact him and ask that he remove her daughter's "casting" from his site when it made it out onto the net, but Woodman refused stating that the "tube sites" had already pirated the movie so why should he lose money?!! Yet I spoke with another director to who this also happened to, and he pulled that model's video from his own site and worked with the tube sites to pull what they had there too. Only this week one of Woodman's members asked to see Sophie Paris (Woodman's wife) being sodomized by Woodman when he first "cast" her. But Woodman refused, saying that he didn't want his children seeing their mother doing that!! Yet it's just fine getting somebody else's wife, daughter or mother to do that? Hypocrisy in its purest form. By the way, from what I've heard he also bought up and had removed all of Sophies early hardcore scenes when they married. It might be just rumour, but how many sites have you seen her hardcore scenes on?

I'm sure that 10 years ago you wouldn't have heard a single actress saying anything bad about Harvey Weinstein either, but Woodman has always had these rumours following him around. Now he's never invited to any awards or conventions because everyone in the business knows he's toxic. The only time he's on mainstream T.V. (See this year's BBC documentary by Louis Theroux "Forbidden America") is if they want to portray someone who's known for being "pushy" and has a reputation. I'm sorry but I don't know who Manuel Ferrara is but it's possible that he just doesn't see who the real Pierre Woodman is. I'm the type of person who will always see the best in people (to my failing sometimes) but after looking at Pierre Woodman for the last year I haven't found one redeeming quality in the man.

 

[maple5]

HI. Lots of interesting posts. Thanks guys.

One of his casting models said she was having her period and then he also "convinced" her to have anal during the session. And yet everything was clean at the end of it all! He even played with her tampon and he also "cleaned" her ass out with his fingers, but you don't see any "dirt." Maybe I am dumb AF but is all that cleanliness even possible for an "innocent' model?

Would an agency ever send a fashion model to a porn director instead and then hope for the best?
"I convinced her to let me fuck her silly instead of modellng the new bikini!"

This was from 2008 and the resolution was up to Full HD. Her name was "Wendy."

But it was a fantastic scene.

Thanks.

 

[smf333]

HI. Lots of interesting posts. Thanks guys.

One of his casting models said she was having her period and then he also "convinced" her to have anal during the session. And yet everything was clean at the end of it all! He even played with her tampon and he also "cleaned" her ass out with his fingers, but you don't see any "dirt." Maybe I am dumb AF but is all that cleanliness even possible for an "innocent' model?

Would an agency ever send a fashion model to a porn director instead and then hope for the best?
"I convinced her to let me fuck her silly instead of modellng the new bikini!"

This was from 2008 and the resolution was up to Full HD. Her name was "Wendy."

But it was a fantastic scene.

Thanks.

The answers you seek Maple do not lie here or with the words of Pierre Woodman. To find the truth you need to find Wendy, she is the only one who can answer what you're looking for.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

HI. Lots of interesting posts. Thanks guys.

One of his casting models said she was having her period and then he also "convinced" her to have anal during the session. And yet everything was clean at the end of it all! He even played with her tampon and he also "cleaned" her ass out with his fingers, but you don't see any "dirt." Maybe I am dumb AF but is all that cleanliness even possible for an "innocent' model?

Would an agency ever send a fashion model to a porn director instead and then hope for the best?
"I convinced her to let me fuck her silly instead of modellng the new bikini!"

This was from 2008 and the resolution was up to Full HD. Her name was "Wendy."

But it was a fantastic scene.

Thanks.

So...isn't that just the storyline and plot written into that particular scene haha...? I've seen way more unbelievable storylines and plots on TV and not just porn😁

 

[Steve-FreeOnes]

HI. Lots of interesting posts. Thanks guys.

One of his casting models said she was having her period and then he also "convinced" her to have anal during the session. And yet everything was clean at the end of it all! He even played with her tampon and he also "cleaned" her ass out with his fingers, but you don't see any "dirt." Maybe I am dumb AF but is all that cleanliness even possible for an "innocent' model?

Would an agency ever send a fashion model to a porn director instead and then hope for the best?
"I convinced her to let me fuck her silly instead of modellng the new bikini!"

This was from 2008 and the resolution was up to Full HD. Her name was "Wendy."

But it was a fantastic scene.

Thanks.

Kayfabe is alive.

 

[maple5]

Kayfabe is alive.

Thanks. I guess the thing to keep in mind is that it is a Casting. Usually this means auditioning to play a role in a scripted movie as a member of a cast of actors. Looks like I am answering my own questions, but I just thought there was some real spontaneity in Wendy's scene with him.

She scratched his back, leaving marks; after he slapped her, she slapped him back, etc., lots of unusual stuff. I think once she gets going, she just forgets the camera and has a good time. In another of her scenes, at another studio, she says to her potential partner, "It's just SEX. You know, Great FUN!"

 

[maple5]

At least PW hasn't "modernized" to filming in the Portrait orientation. I once ordered a threesome video and it was in Portrait style! It was like looking through a window, and not like being in the room.

 

[crm999]

I'm more interested in the "behind the scenes" of the videos he's been promising for 15 years of all the whores who were too repulsed to fuck him.

 

[smf333]

I'm more interested in the "behind the scenes" of the videos he's been promising for 15 years of all the whores who were too repulsed to fuck him.

I think you have got just as long a wait for that as the suckers who have been paying his extortionate membership fees all these years crm999!

 

[John_8581]

I think you have got just as long a wait for that as the suckers who have been paying his extortionate membership fees all these years crm999!

Haha @smf333. Extortionate vs. Exorbitant. Funny. Extortion. One letter changes it a lot.

Anyway, here you go ...

These are indicated in euros. Are the prices exorbitant? I've seen other places, like Amateur Allure, even higher on a monthly basis.