Roe v. Wade

[gmase]

Here's a preview of this summer's entertainment:
https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...night-of-rage-in-response-to-abortion-ruling/

IMO, even in those states, I have to question if they would really prosecute the exceptional cases. So "no brainer" cases like rape & incest pregnancies. Would a prosecutor go ahead in pressing charges? Would a judge convict? And would a governor not grant clemency if she were convicted?

South Dakota Appears ready to go after doctors, not mothers. Assuming 'no brainer' status for anything has never been prudent. What's a no-brainer for some isn't for me - and vice versa. I guarantee there are people out there in positions of power who would not grant clemency or pardons for victims of rape or incest.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/...ction-after-historic-abortion-ruling-00042333
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-roe-v-wade-no-rape-incest-exceptions/629747/

 

[D-rock]

That's correct, and emphasized in the decision. It's different from saying that SCOTUS banning abortions.
That said, there are more than several states that have laws ready to go & were waiting for the decision.

IMO, even in those states, I have to question if they would really prosecute the exceptional cases. So "no brainer" cases like rape & incest pregnancies. Would a prosecutor go ahead in pressing charges? Would a judge convict? And would a governor not grant clemency if she were convicted?

That's sort of like saying that all the black people and other minorities in the country in the first half of the 20th century and before could just go to a state that didn't have segregation so the SCOTUS didn't technically ban integration.

Or when interracial marriage was illegal in some places since people could just move to another state...

Or when women couldn't vote...

Or when Jim Crow laws existed...

...and then trying to say the SCOTUS never allowed or banned any of those things because a person could just go somewhere else. That's a completely asinine way of thinking and detached from reality.

Also relying on the judgement of prosecutors to be benevolent or just use common sense in protecting people instead of their rights being codified into law is equally stupid. There will be times that if they are allowed to go after people they will do so if it fits their agenda. Relying on some unwritten tacit understanding to save somebody from being prosecuted is profoundly dumb.

All that isn't bring up how the hell does one even decide what "rape" is or what "preserving the life of the mother" and all that other stuff even is? Seriously? Rape is a very serious felony that can sometimes literally take years for the courts to come to a conviction, and that's even if their is enough evidence or the jury gives a damn to come to the right conclusion. How the hell is that supposed to work when pregnancies don't last that long?

Who gets to decide if a mother's life is sufficiently in danger to warrant an abortion? Doctors, scientist? Hell, republicans don't bother to listen to those people now? They sure as hell don't give a damn about the woman's opinion in the matter. Don't all pregnancies have risk to the life of the person that is pregnant?

That's why adding qualifiers to a perceived "justifiable abortions" are stupid and it should just be a person's right to get one as it used to be.


Lets apply that way of thinking to guns now. After all if those upset gun owners can just move to another state then their rights were never taken away, right....right?

 

[Concrete Cock]

Check the headline. Did Hillary insist on having all mirrors removed before the beginning of the interview. Get some self awareness, you bitter cunt. Only a politician would be so shameless to have the gall to say that.

Hillary Clinton, who has known Clarence Thomas since law school, says he is a person of 'resentment, grievance, anger'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-known-clarence-thomas-014028591.html

 

[Johan]

There is supposed to be a separation of church and state, meaning our state, isn't supposed to regulate religion, or morality. While I know most religions are hypocritical, there is a huge segment of our country that don't have a belief or a faith. They are effected by a morality judgment imposed on them, by a government that is clearly destroying that premise.

Since they are regulating morality despite the 1st amendment, why wouldn't they regulate guns despite the 2nd...

If I understand this correctly, abortion will not be illegal in all states, and it's up to the state to decide.

That's correct, for now. But it is pretty clear that the GOP is looking forward to ban all abortions on a federal level.

If that is correct, then I urge people to start ASAP, in writing to politicians in your state, for or against, offering support, or informing of dissatisfaction. I learned many years ago, when Ohio was trying to pass a helmet law, that politicians, or political organizations look at every HAND WRITTEN letter, as representing apx. 25 voters.

As you said, it happened "many years ago", things have changed now, the GOP is constantly looking to to the most extreme of its voters because 1) on the social-economics, they've got nothing but tax-cuts for the rich and cutting every welfare program possible and 2) making it a culture war is the best way to radicalize the last moderate republicans so that they won't flip to independent 'cause they don't like to socio-economic policies of the GOP

 

[Johan]

Check the headline. Did Hillary insist on having all mirrors removed before the beginning of the interview. Get some self awareness, you bitter cunt. Only a politician would be so shameless to have the gall to say that.

Hillary Clinton, who has known Clarence Thomas since law school, says he is a person of 'resentment, grievance, anger'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-known-clarence-thomas-014028591.html

Does anyone still cares about what Hillary says ? Only republicans do 'cause they still think she's the Dem's icon, that she's to Democrat voters what Trump is to GOP voters

 

[Concrete Cock]

Does anyone still cares about what Hillary says ?

I did or I wouldn't have posted it, dude. You weren't intended to get hemorrhoids over it. Might wanna worry about the Right in your country shoveling hot coal up your ass.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Since they are regulating morality despite the 1st amendment, why wouldn't they regulate guns despite the 2nd...

That's correct, for now. But it is pretty clear that the GOP is looking forward to ban all abortions on a federal level.


As you said, it happened "many years ago", things have changed now, the GOP is constantly looking to to the most extreme of its voters because 1) on the social-economics, they've got nothing but tax-cuts for the rich and cutting every welfare program possible and 2) making it a culture war is the best way to radicalize the last moderate republicans so that they won't flip to independent 'cause they don't like to socio-economic policies of the GOP

They don't regulate guns, because the 2nd IS, absolute, and this isn't the place for me to explain it beyond that.

 

[Luxman]

The Hypocrites Who Leave Anti-Abortion Picket Lines to Get Abortions
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-women-who-leave-anti-abortion-picket-lines-to-get-abortions

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I told my wife how this should all be dealt with, and as I was, she told me what I suspected, but wasn't sure about.

So bear with me.

My wife was saying the real tragedy, or hypocrisy is, when the right to life crowd gets their way, they never have a plan for all of the unwanted children, that had to be given birth too.
My plan was this. Anyone who wants to make abortion illegal, must declare their position. Based on the persons income, they will be assigned a number of children, that they have to raise. They can't just throw money at it, they have to take full responsibility for the medical care of the unborn child, and then they must bring them into their home, and turn them into productive members of society. If you are a working class shlub, you only might have to raise one. However, if you are a captain of industry, a wealthy man/woman, you might just have to get a full sized passenger van.

 

[John_8581]

Here's some accompanying music to enjoy while reading Mr. Daystar's aka The White Devil's post.

 

[tvstrip]

That's sort of like saying that all the black people and other minorities in the country in the first half of the 20th century and before could just go to a state that didn't have segregation so the SCOTUS didn't technically ban integration.

Or when interracial marriage was illegal in some places since people could just move to another state...

Or when women couldn't vote...

Or when Jim Crow laws existed...

...and then trying to say the SCOTUS never allowed or banned any of those things because a person could just go somewhere else. That's a completely asinine way of thinking and detached from reality.

Also relying on the judgement of prosecutors to be benevolent or just use common sense in protecting people instead of their rights being codified into law is equally stupid. There will be times that if they are allowed to go after people they will do so if it fits their agenda. Relying on some unwritten tacit understanding to save somebody from being prosecuted is profoundly dumb.

All that isn't bring up how the hell does one even decide what "rape" is or what "preserving the life of the mother" and all that other stuff even is? Seriously? Rape is a very serious felony that can sometimes literally take years for the courts to come to a conviction, and that's even if their is enough evidence or the jury gives a damn to come to the right conclusion. How the hell is that supposed to work when pregnancies don't last that long?

Who gets to decide if a mother's life is sufficiently in danger to warrant an abortion? Doctors, scientist? Hell, republicans don't bother to listen to those people now? They sure as hell don't give a damn about the woman's opinion in the matter. Don't all pregnancies have risk to the life of the person that is pregnant?

That's why adding qualifiers to a perceived "justifiable abortions" are stupid and it should just be a person's right to get one as it used to be.


Lets apply that way of thinking to guns now. After all if those upset gun owners can just move to another state then their rights were never taken away, right....right?

Maybe it wasn't clear by my post, but I think you missed the core point I was making, which is:
I question whether those in the "trigger states" have the balls to enforce any anti-abortion laws they enact. That includes every hospital staff, police officer, prosecution lawyer, judge and governor in the state, because if even one of those links breaks down in an "exceptional case", then the law is meaningless and just means they just go back to the status quo.

 

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

You have already got states attorneys that have flat said that they are not gonna enforce those laws. Shit gets deeper and deeper

 

[Luxman]

Overturning Roe v. Wade is solely a Republican political scheme to take the focus off the January 6 Committee Hearings, and to try to give republicans a 'win'.
Republicans don't care if their actions or policies are good or bad for Americans, they only care about winning and more importantly democrats losing.
Republicans would rather win on any issue and suffer the consequences rather than letting democrats win on an issue even if it benefitted most republicans.

What are the excuses the SCOTUS gave to justify overturning Roe v. Wade?

 

[gmase]

What are the excuses the SCOTUS gave to justify overturning Roe v. Wade?

The word abortion is not explicitly stated in the text of the Constitution.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I saw an article that suggested they overturned it, to send a clear message to the progressive liberals, that they should cool their jets.

 

[gmase]

Based on the words written by Clarence Thomas, I don’t think it is progressives who need to be cooling their jets.

There has always been an ebb and flow to rights in the US. Thomas truly seems like he would like to unwind much of the progress over the past few few decades. Of course he needs to find four other Justices to help him.

Who needs clean air anyway?

As long as some fuck can shoot up a parade and some fuck can ambush police, we are all good. Nothing to see here. Let’s move on.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

As long as we can just let people stroll across the boarder, moving people, guns, and drugs, and as long as we can hand out money, and free health care to anyone that feels entitled to it, without working for it, and criminals are slapped on the wrist, instead of incarcerated for 25 years, and the little collage graduates can get a freebie on their loan, messages DO NEED to be sent. You know I don't agree with Roe, but there is a growing number of leftards that would just love for everyone to hug, and be like them, and until they stop spreading that socialist bullshit, the right will strike deep and hard. A vast number of working class American, is tired of seeing their hard work, go to people that just haven't earned it.

 

[gmase]

Think more along the lines of progressive ideas which have improved society: abolition, labor laws (child labor, OSHA, et al), disability, social security, Medicare and Medicaid, environmentalists (clean rivers?).

A return to the Gilded Age would not be pretty.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Think more along the lines of progressive ideas which have improved society: abolition, labor laws (child labor, OSHA, et al), disability, social security, Medicare and Medicaid, environmentalists (clean rivers?).

A return to the Gilded Age would not be pretty.

That's not progressive to me, that's just logical. Progressive is this nonsense that we just let people in, without them going through due process, like all of the early immigrants did at Elis Island. That just because we pull our military out of a country, now we must bring in thousands of refugees, and give them everything free....or should I say free to them, higher taxes for the working class. Ignoring American's in need, in favor of illegal immigrants, and refugees. Forgiving debt, that was incurred by people who SIGNED up for it. Expecting a whole country to cater to every little segment of society, and coddle them, because they feel offended by the slightest little thing.

 

[gmase]

That's not progressive to me, that's just logical. Progressive is this nonsense that we just let people in, without them going through due process, like all of the early immigrants did at Elis Island. That just because we pull our military out of a country, now we must bring in thousands of refugees, and give them everything free....or should I say free to them, higher taxes for the working class. Ignoring American's in need, in favor of illegal immigrants, and refugees. Forgiving debt, that was incurred by people who SIGNED up for it. Expecting a whole country to cater to every little segment of society, and coddle them, because they feel offended by the slightest little thing.

Today’s logic was once a progressive idea. Not everyone was on board with many of those ideas. (We even fought a war over abolition.)

For many of our rights and privileges, we should thank progressives of the past. Nothing moves forward if we keep ourselves anchored to the past.