Not according to the those bitter within the EU. They want this divorce to be expedited ASAP and are prepared to strip some British chairman to "member without portfolio" or something. I dunno, I'm in the middle of edging right now. I don't see how this is "final" unless the EU itself is destined for collapse. Go Britain! I feel like adopting a bulldog. And Britain, if this somehow doesn't work out, we'll take you in as our 51st state. You'll still have more freedom (see Texas) than under some Brussels bureaucracy.
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BREXIT ~ British Exit Referendum on the 23rd of June
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Not according to the those bitter within the EU. They want this divorce to be expedited ASAP and are prepared to strip some British chairman to "member without portfolio" or something. I dunno, I'm in the middle of edging right now. I don't see how this is "final" unless the EU itself is destined for collapse. Go Britain! I feel like adopting a bulldog. And Britain, if this somehow doesn't work out, we'll take you in as our 51st state. You'll still have more freedom (see Texas) than under some Brussels bureaucracy.
So technically this vote is not legally binding. The UK government doesn't have to do anything. Parliament still has to vote and is it possible that they could overrule their own voters? Sure. But I just don't see them going against the will of the people.
I was thinking more down the road. Like how it's been pointed out that most younger voters voted to stay. Once the bah humbugs die out there would be another referendum to rejoin the EU with a more enlightened electorate, assuming they haven't also gotten older and wiser? Or that the EU isn't already a thing of the past.
It's one thing to hold on to an ideal - diversity, tolerance, peace and love, goodwill to all, the brotherhood of man, and it's another to acknowledge the reality of the world and how some take advantage of those good intentions - like those savages within the gate.
Sweden is the RAPE. CAPITAL. OF. THE. WORLD.
Why in the fuck WHY??? And why isn't Japan? Because they're not stupid.
The immigration issue more than anything had to have led to the exit even more than money diverted to NHS.
I can't see the UK ever re-entering the EU. Countries can re-enter to EU but if the UK wanted to re-enter they would be treated like any other country that wanted EU membership. They would have to accept full membership and they wouldn't be able to insist on the same out-puts and the budget rebate they currently enjoy. And they wouldn't get a veto either like they have now. They would be one of the weaker members of the EU. I just can't see it happening but I don't live there so maybe someone from the UK would have a little more insight than me
I think it'll be a moot point. Britain was a worldwide empire for centuries. (The sun never set on it, right?) If any of the european countries can make it on their own, it would be them. And are they even european? And they wouldn't be on their own. Would it be inaccurate to say the EU needs Britain more than it needs the EU? I heard this laid out this morning - should someone working 50 hours a week in the UK to put food on the table have their tax dollars go to support countries where their workers work 30 hours per week and a third of the year is spent on vacation? Like Greece. Fucking leeches.
Turns out the greeks on average work the most hours per week in the EU. But it's the productivity.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business...ziest-country-in-europe-work-the-most/257792/
larss
I'm watching some specialist videos
People voted out without knowing what they were doing.
2 main points were £350 million per week and control of immigration, both of which are rubbish.
Taking into account the rebate that the UK gets plus the money that is handed back to the UK the number comes down to around £190 million and leave have said that that spending would not change. So we are already short of £160 million per week that was, according to the Leave campaign, destined for the NHS. But wait, Leave also said that we would be able to scrap VAT on fuel at 5%, so that would mean raising that money another way - surely not from the £190 million that is destined for the NHS. What about education. If we don't pay the £350 million to Brussels, we could spend it on Education. So not the NHS, then?
Immigration. Last year Net migration with over 300,000. More came from outside the EU (just over half). If the UK wants a trade agreement with the EU, it will almost certainly mean joining the EEA (European Economic Area), along with Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein. These countries are not full members of the EU but have accepted EU regulations and its so-called four freedoms - the free movement of goods, services, people and capital. People being the main point here. Trade without being able to have free movement of people is extremely difficult when a lot of the trade is in services rather than goods. Even if the UK did halt EU immigration (and that is unlikely), it would still mean nearly 200,000 nett immigration if levels were to remain the same. I was listening to one of the leave voters telling us how he voted leave because it is all about immigration.
Transcript as follows:
Man: It's all about immigration. It's not about trade or Europe or anything like that, it's all about immigration. It's to stop the Muslims coming into the country. Simple as that.
Interviewer: Do you think you voted to leave the EU to stop Muslims coming to the country?
Man: To stop immigration. Right. The movement of people in Europe fair enough. But not from Africa, Syria, Iraq, everywhere else, it's all wrong.
It is mind boggling that his entire argument for leaving the EU has nothing at all to do with the EU. In fact he is quite happy with the free movement of Europeans.
I am disappointed that we have voted to leave. I think that it is a huge mistake but we now just have to move forward with what has been done. We will have to negotiate a new trade deal with Europe and hope that it does not cost as much as we were paying to be in the club in the first place.
2 main points were £350 million per week and control of immigration, both of which are rubbish.
Taking into account the rebate that the UK gets plus the money that is handed back to the UK the number comes down to around £190 million and leave have said that that spending would not change. So we are already short of £160 million per week that was, according to the Leave campaign, destined for the NHS. But wait, Leave also said that we would be able to scrap VAT on fuel at 5%, so that would mean raising that money another way - surely not from the £190 million that is destined for the NHS. What about education. If we don't pay the £350 million to Brussels, we could spend it on Education. So not the NHS, then?
Immigration. Last year Net migration with over 300,000. More came from outside the EU (just over half). If the UK wants a trade agreement with the EU, it will almost certainly mean joining the EEA (European Economic Area), along with Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein. These countries are not full members of the EU but have accepted EU regulations and its so-called four freedoms - the free movement of goods, services, people and capital. People being the main point here. Trade without being able to have free movement of people is extremely difficult when a lot of the trade is in services rather than goods. Even if the UK did halt EU immigration (and that is unlikely), it would still mean nearly 200,000 nett immigration if levels were to remain the same. I was listening to one of the leave voters telling us how he voted leave because it is all about immigration.
Transcript as follows:
Man: It's all about immigration. It's not about trade or Europe or anything like that, it's all about immigration. It's to stop the Muslims coming into the country. Simple as that.
Interviewer: Do you think you voted to leave the EU to stop Muslims coming to the country?
Man: To stop immigration. Right. The movement of people in Europe fair enough. But not from Africa, Syria, Iraq, everywhere else, it's all wrong.
It is mind boggling that his entire argument for leaving the EU has nothing at all to do with the EU. In fact he is quite happy with the free movement of Europeans.
I am disappointed that we have voted to leave. I think that it is a huge mistake but we now just have to move forward with what has been done. We will have to negotiate a new trade deal with Europe and hope that it does not cost as much as we were paying to be in the club in the first place.
So it is primarily about immigration? And has the free movement of europeans been a problem? Or is that you all have let in the wolves among the sheep?
When the average person's life is at stake, practicality, common sense, the self-preservation instinct tend to kick in. Even anti-gun hollywood leftists have armed security.
The sense of that man...how dare he have sense. RACIST.
How about this: How many Muslim-majority countries - quite well off, at that - have taken in Syrian refugees? Saudi Arabia? Qatar? UAE?
Zero?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...re-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/
Damn racists...oh wait.
Fuck Islam and fuck every muslim on the planet - and fuck every "religion of peace" Muslim/Muslim-majority country for their immoral behavior.
Britain’s Trade Union Congress warned prior to the vote, British citizens are likely to make 38 pounds less a week than their EU counterparts by the year 2030 once the country leaves the EU. It goes without saying that this would hurt, not help, British workers.
"Should someone working 50 hours a week in the UK to put food on the table have their tax dollars go to support countries where their workers work 30 hours per week and a third of the year is spent on vacation?"
That's a one sided way of looking at things because it's as if the UK gets no benefits from being an EU member. It's been debunked that the UK sends 350 million pounds to the EU. They actually contribute 19.1 billion pounds in 2014. However, Britain gets an immediate rebate off the top so it actually sent 14.7 billion, or 283 million a week, in 2014. Brussels also returns money to Britain for sectors including agriculture, regional development, science and universities. The actual net contribution from Britain is about 9.9 billion a year. That's not bad considering the benefits you get in return
Now they'll have to begin negotiations with the EU on issues like trade tariffs and regulation of industries but they won't get the same favorable terms they have now as EU members because the EU will want to send a message to others EU countries who are thinking of leaving
meesterperfect
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I'm no expert on this. Unless someone actually lives in England or at least Europe it would be hard to really fully understand.
I believe YES it was mainly the mass immigratation of Arabs and Africans that was the greatest factor.
Add to that the people of Europe aren't as easily mentally manipulated as in say, THE USA. They realize that these immigrants are a result of endless US wars in the Middle East and Africa and most with a brain that works want no part of that anymore.
People are tired of it, they see what it's already done to them and they see where it's heading.
As far as the economic aspects- of course the powers who want an EU are going to say that they will have less money now. And they will do all they can to make that a reality. It's a scare tactic to force the sheep back into the herd or the herd back into the fence which leads to the slaughterhouse.
Other countries will leave now and soon it will be no more and hopefully all those countries will over time get leaders who actually care about their people and their country.
BTW I have looked into the election and they say 52-48%. I don't buy that.
You can only rig an election so much. When the overwhelming majority wants the same thing it makes it for very difficult fixing.
(Except for the California Democratic Primary. With that one they set and all time record).
GodsEmbryo
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So was Greece under Alexander The Great.
From what I can read in the Belgian press it seems like no one was expecting this. Not even the "Leave"-voters. Farage from the Ukip says it was a mistake to say the 350million would go to the NHS, Boris Johnson all of a sudden says 'there's no need for haste'... Did they actually have a plan??? Starts to look like they were playing a political game... and it really backfired.
GodsEmbryo
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How does one define "mass immigration"?
As I understand it the muslim population of the UK is roughly 5%
A PEW research study in 2015 finds that "Muslim share of Europe’s total population has been increasing steadily. In recent decades, the Muslim share of the population throughout Europe grew about 1 percentage point a decade, from 4% in 1990 to 6% in 2010. This pattern is expected to continue through 2030, when Muslims are projected to make up 8% of Europe’s population."
8 percent. good lord it's the end of the world!!!
As I understand it the muslim population of the UK is roughly 5%
A PEW research study in 2015 finds that "Muslim share of Europe’s total population has been increasing steadily. In recent decades, the Muslim share of the population throughout Europe grew about 1 percentage point a decade, from 4% in 1990 to 6% in 2010. This pattern is expected to continue through 2030, when Muslims are projected to make up 8% of Europe’s population."
8 percent. good lord it's the end of the world!!!
Shorty V
We will all be free once.
Well, there is a growing amount of voices in France who say that France should stop putting money into the efforts to stop immigrants in Calais and its surroundings.
It's costing too much effort and money.
The border check deal with the UK should be dismantled, they say.
Since the UK is now independent, the Kingdom is now able to control its own border to stop immigration.
So let those immigrants jump on the ferry to Dover. The new independent UK will deal with it.
tartanterrier
Is somewhere outhere.
That's what Sturgeon wishes for, but she will have to be granted permission for this from the UK before Scotland can have one, and that could take a couple of years. Then of course there is the re entry process for Scotland to get back into the EU, for which I think takes 5 years. So all in all it could take 5 - 10 years before Scotland becomes an EU state, by which there might not be EU left, or indeed even worth being a member of, as other EU members are currently considering whether they themselves think it is best they also left the EU too.
The sense of that man...how dare he have sense. RACIST.
How about this: How many Muslim-majority countries - quite well off, at that - have taken in Syrian refugees? Saudi Arabia? Qatar? UAE?
Zero?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...re-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/
Damn racists...oh wait.
Fuck Islam and fuck every muslim on the planet - and fuck every "religion of peace" Muslim/Muslim-majority country for their immoral behavior.
I say EVERY Muslim or "immigrant" "refugee" from any Muslim majority country should be deported from any Western nation UNTIL any of the aforementioned cocksuckers (SA, UAE, Kuwait, etc) take in one god damn of their own...these fucking Muslim cocksuckers and their "religion" (it's really a devil worshiping cult, that's what it is) can all fuck off to hell for all I care. I'm sick of Western society having to deal with these shithole countries and their shithole "religion" and their problems ....
Muslim problems, let them help their own - if it is even in their "faith" of Islam that helping others is so true...(read the Koran...see what they really think about non-Muslims...they think we should be their slaves, that we are lower than them, that Jews and Christians are cockroaches and the whole of it is based on violence!:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/10-reasons-not-peace.aspx
They're shit, and their "religion" is utter SHIT. They have no business in Europe, none whatsoever..and they have ill intentions, make no mistake about it. Need I point out all the attacks in Europe and how that will absolutely only increase when they make up almost 1 in 10 in Europe?
Does EU make a huge threat to America, since they seem to be the most actively supporting of the breaking of EU, while at the same time they want to suck those poor little countries under their own influence?
British are out is none of my business, but I haven't really seen too many legitimately intelligent reasoning for whichever direction people leaned with their votes.
British are out is none of my business, but I haven't really seen too many legitimately intelligent reasoning for whichever direction people leaned with their votes.
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