'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerusalem

[girk1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

Excuse me? What did you say?


My maternal great grandmother was sent to Jasenovac concentration camp with Jews in WWII.

My paternal grandmother was arrested by the fascist Croat Ustashe in Vinkovci during WWII for trying to give Greek Jews water at the railroad station.


It's because of what they went through that I'm pro Jewish/Israeli.

:dunno:
What about what nearly 15 -20 million African Americans went through in the Middle Passage in the hull of slaveshipos like sardines wallowing in one anothers feces, blood, decomposition fluids?:dunno: The violence & fear during Reconstruction & Jim Crow?:dunno:

The New World Indians who were slaughetred wholesale by our American ancestors?

My Uncle risked his life to protest for Blacks the simple right to vote & be treated other than second class citizens.

What exactly about the plight of a developed nation(Isarael) with 150 nuclear warhead deserves preferential treatment & UNQUESTIONED allegiance from the right? :dunno: Plus American Taxpayer money?

While other minorities like Hispanics, Blacks, Native Americans,etc....it seems don't get that same understanding from the Far Right.

Plus the Trillions (directly & INDIRECTLY) of American taxpayer dollars for Israel.

Israelis pay NO taxes in the U.S. ,but Blacks , Hispanics & Native Amercians pay untold Trillions in sales, property ,income & other Taxes.

at the expense of American tax payers.

Sounds like you support Israel at the peril of the US. So why do you hate America?

Israelis pay no(zero $ Dollars) US taxes that I am aware of ,but the far right(outside of Ron Paul & few others perhaps) won't question the Trillions this tiny nation they are obssessed with that costs such a "Broke Nation" who "spends too much" like the US.

Hardworking minorities in this country pay Trillions in taxes ,but the FAr right is there to bash any program , penny or empathy for minorities.

And isn't it odd how those on the Far right can bash the US President & government UNMERCIFULLY , but Israel is off limits.:dunno:

Really, Why do they hate America?

 

[d'histoire]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

It's because of what they went through that I'm pro Jewish/Israeli.

No love for the Palestinians? :dunno: Israel don't treat them too good. :2 cents:

 

[girk1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

I don't have guilt over what they went through. Instead they suffered and sympathized with Jews, I take that as a sign of allegiance not guilt.

Oh I see(Girk1 Rolls eyes) .

It's called "ALLEGIANCE":surprise::1orglaugh when the Far Right wing in the US(who had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust) sympathize with Israeli's, but "White Liberal Guilt" when Americans try to empathize(not sympathize) with the plight of minorities that this country & Government ACTUALLY DIRECTLY Abused.


GERMANY & not America perputrated those WWII atrocities . Germany has paid hundreds of Billions of Dollars in reparations & Israel has sued private German companies for more untold Billions. To the point that many in Germany are questioning when will these reparations to Israel end.

So tell US why does a "Broke Nation" which "spends too much" continue to justify giving a developed nation (Isareal)with 150 nuclear warheads Billions directly (Trillions actually indirectly)?

What is it about Hispaniccs(Native Amercans) & Blacks(who pay trillions in taxes) especially, that have been unquestionably abused by the US Government that the Far Right cannot empathize with?

Yet Israelis ,whom the US did not abuse, get unquestioned support?

Something in the above smells like the assigning of collective guilt for past transgressions usually derided by your types. Boy are you a moving target when it comes to consistency....I suppose that's a good thing if you have to avoid crosshairs.:violent:

:nono: Not so good when it comes to having your own arguments undo your own arguments.

I love how this ties into the 'liberal white guilt' you were just convulsing over. How long should the ancestors of those who wronged your ancestors be made to pay or feel guilty??:o


You're just in love with another?:lovecoupl

And why should the "Broke" US Government(US TAxpayers including minorities like Blacks/Hispanics) pay for their Guilt when she had absolutely nothing to do with the Atrocities of the Holocaust?

Silly us Mega it's "ALLEGIANCE" when the Far Right 'sympathizes' with Israelis , but "White Liberal Guilt" when Americans empathize with minorities she has greatly wronged.

The Hypocrisy is thick isn't it?:1orglaugh

This "Far Right Guilt" (Or Allegiance) ,or whatever euphenism they want to call it it, is costing a "broke nation" like the US Trillions. A Lot of money to say Isarelis don't pay taxes here unlike Hispanics , Blacks , Native Amercians,etc..........

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

Silly us Mega it's "ALLEGIANCE" when the Far Right 'sympathizes' with Israelis , but "White Liberal Guilt" when Americans empathize with minorities she has greatly wronged.

The Hypocrisy is thick isn't it?:1orglaugh

This "Far Right Guilt" (Or Allegiance) ,or whatever euphenism they want to call it it, is costing a "broke nation" like the US Trillions. A Lot of money to say Isarelis don't pay taxes here unlike Hispanics , Blacks , Native Amercians,etc..........

You don't have to work too hard to trip up some people....just give 'em enough room to run with their thoughts, they'll run full circle and do it to themselves.:o

 

[Trident1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

Oh I see(Girk1 Rolls eyes) .

It's called "ALLEGIANCE":surprise::1orglaugh when the Far Right wing in the US(who had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust) sympathize with Israeli's, but "White Liberal Guilt" when Americans try to empathize(not sympathize) with the plight of minorities that this country & Government ACTUALLY DIRECTLY Abused.


GERMANY & not America perputrated those WWII atrocities . Germany has paid hundreds of Billions of Dollars in reparations & Israel has sued private German companies for more untold Billions. To the point that many in Germany are questioning when will these reparations to Israel end.

So tell US why does a "Broke Nation" which "spends too much" continue to justify giving a developed nation (Isareal)with 150 nuclear warheads Billions directly (Trillions actually indirectly)?

What is it about Hispaniccs(Native Amercans) & Blacks(who pay trillions in taxes) especially, that have been unquestionably abused by the US Government that the Far Right cannot empathize with?

Yet Israelis ,whom the US did not abuse, get unquestioned support?




And why should the "Broke" US Government(US TAxpayers including minorities like Blacks/Hispanics) pay for their Guilt when she had absolutely nothing to do with the Atrocities of the Holocaust?

Silly us Mega it's "ALLEGIANCE" when the Far Right 'sympathizes' with Israelis , but "White Liberal Guilt" when Americans empathize with minorities she has greatly wronged.

The Hypocrisy is thick isn't it?:1orglaugh

This "Far Right Guilt" (Or Allegiance) ,or whatever euphenism they want to call it it, is costing a "broke nation" like the US Trillions. A Lot of money to say Isarelis don't pay taxes here unlike Hispanics , Blacks , Native Amercians,etc..........

I feel "allegiance" to Jews/Israel for what my relatives went through. How are you translating what I personally feel to your "Far Right Allegiance/Guilt" bull.


What's with the "Hispaniccs(Native Amercans) & Blacks" tripe?

So they pay taxes, so do I. I'd rather my money go to helping Israel than going to the 'hood.

I can see your angry that Israel is our ally and how much money it gets in aid/support. Guess what no matter what you think(as childish as it is) it will never change our relationship with Israel. So go ahead scream about "Hispaniccs(Native Amercans) & Blacks" all you want. It will never change a thing, and will have no impact upon helping Israel.


Hypocrisy? Hardly son.

:dunno:
What about what nearly 15 -20 million African Americans went through in the Middle Passage in the hull of slaveshipos like sardines wallowing in one anothers feces, blood, decomposition fluids?:dunno: The violence & fear during Reconstruction & Jim Crow?:dunno:

The New World Indians who were slaughetred wholesale by our American ancestors?

What does that have to do with my family and what they went through vis a vis Jews/Israel?

You want to pay reparations for slavery go ahead. You want to sympathize with blacks and hispanics...........knock yourself out.

 

[ragincaucasian]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

Hypocrisy? Hardly son.

Does your justifying rationale work for group A but not group B? Then that is the very definition of hypocrisy.

You cannot be for the sustaining of a targeted one targeted minority and completely opposed to the same for another (you support non-Americans but will give no quarter to your fellow citizens)

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

I feel "allegiance" to Jews/Israel for what my relatives went through. How are you translating what I personally feel to your "Far Right Allegiance/Guilt" bull.


What's with the "Hispaniccs(Native Amercans) & Blacks" tripe?

So they pay taxes, so do I. I'd rather my money go to helping Israel than going to the 'hood.

I can see your angry that Israel is our ally and how much money it gets in aid/support. Guess what no matter what you think(as childish as it is) it will never change our relationship with Israel. So go ahead scream about "Hispaniccs(Native Amercans) & Blacks" all you want. It will never change a thing, and will have no impact upon helping Israel.


Hypocrisy? Hardly son.

*ahem* What is being questioned here is your squaring of on the one hand, a favoritism and 'allegiance' to one set of people for what they went through (even though you personally had no role in what they went through). Then out of the same brain deriding others as being beset with some 'guilt' complex because they may identify with another set of people for what that set went through.

It's probably true that you criticize one group (racial and ethnic minorities in the US) of people for not getting over whatever they went through while freely accepting..promoting even the idea of perpetual grievance by another group (the pro-Israel lobby and the Israelis) for what they went through.

That's the inconsistency 'son'. :2 cents:

 

[girk1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

I feel "allegiance" to Jews/Israel for what my relatives went through. How are you translating what I personally feel to your "Far Right Allegiance/Guilt" bull.


What's with the "Hispaniccs(Native Amercans) & Blacks" tripe?

So they pay taxes, so do I. I'd rather my money go to helping Israel than going to the 'hood.

I can see your angry that Israel is our ally and how much money it gets in aid/support. Guess what no matter what you think(as childish as it is) it will never change our relationship with Israel. So go ahead scream about "Hispaniccs(Native Amercans) & Blacks" all you want. It will never change a thing, and will have no impact upon helping Israel.


Hypocrisy? Hardly son.







What does that have to do with my family and what they went through vis a vis Jews/Israel?

You want to pay reparations for slavery go ahead. You want to sympathize with blacks and hispanics...........knock yourself out.

You get more & more ridiculous each time you speak.

While Jewish suffering at the hands of Germans (Not Americans) is worthy of our UNQUESTIONED support Native Americans, Japanes, Blacks , & other minorities suffering at the hands of the US Government is just "Tripe"? Fellow American minority suffering decades ago just like Israeli(Jews) decades old suffering means nothing to you ,I see ? Although the US had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust.

I never called for reparations for anyone (quote where I called for reparations for Indians or Blacks). Good attempt to change the subject from your BLATANT hypocrisy & Far right Guilt over Israel which the US had nothing to do with.

I am actually calling for GUILT ridden Far Right Wingers like yourself to reavaluate spending US Taxpayer money at a time the Far Right claims we are "Broke" & "spend too much" money.

Where does the Far Right Guilt stop? Should we also send Billions(trillions actually) to RWANDANS & ARMENIANS who also sufferd from terrible genocides that the US had nothing to do with?

Should the US send billions to the oil rich SOUTHERN SUDAN(forming a new Nation) since they were slaughtered as well, but not by the U.S? Where does the Far Right Guilt stop?

You still haven't explained why you dislike a "broke" America enough to hope it blindly & foolishly keep spending itself into bankruptcy to support a developing Nation/Nuclear Power?

Why does a patriotic Right Winger like yourself pledge "Allegiance" to a foreign Nation?:dunno:

 

[Trident1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

*ahem* What is being questioned here is your squaring of on the one hand, a favoritism and 'allegiance' to one set of people for what they went through (even though you personally had no role in what they went through). Then out of the same brain deriding others as being beset with some 'guilt' complex because they may identify with another set of people for what that set went through.

It's probably true that you criticize one group (racial and ethnic minorities in the US) of people for not getting over whatever they went through while freely accepting..promoting even the idea of perpetual grievance by another group (the pro-Israel lobby and the Israelis) for what they went through.

That's the inconsistency 'son'. :2 cents:

There is no hypocrisy Meg or inconsistency. I feel an allegiance because it happened to family/blood. Becasue my great grandmother a Serb, was sent with Jews to a concentration camp and my grandmother also Serb was arrested trying to help Jews, I feel a sense of allegiance towards Jews not guilt. You guys are confusing two completely different words.

I would feel "guilt" towards blacks if an ancestor/relative had black slaves or was guilty of lynching blacks, since that never happened I do not feel "guilt" towards them.

That's the difference.

 

[girk1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

*ahem* What is being questioned here is your squaring of on the one hand, a favoritism and 'allegiance' to one set of people for what they went through (even though you personally had no role in what they went through). Then out of the same brain deriding others as being beset with some 'guilt' complex because they may identify with another set of people for what that set went through.

It's probably true that you criticize one group (racial and ethnic minorities in the US) of people for not getting over whatever they went through while freely accepting..promoting even the idea of perpetual grievance by another group (the pro-Israel lobby and the Israelis) for what they went through.

That's the inconsistency 'son'. :2 cents:

And not only did He not have anything to do with the Holocaust the US had absolutely Nothing to do with it either. In fact they helped to deafeat Germany & liberate concentration camps.

What's even more ridiculous/sad is he considers the past suffering of fellow, Tax paying Americans at the Hands of OUR own government(not 'Z' Germans) a little more than "Tripe".


I mean why not give other foreigners like RWANDANS, SUDANESE, Armenians, etc.... Billions since we are going "broke" anyhow?

One thing about this Far Right Guilt is that it is very , very selective:1orglaugh

Muslims , Africans, Blacks, NAtive Americans, need not apply for any of that Far Right Guilt I guess?:dunno:

 

[girk1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

There is no hypocrisy Meg or inconsistency. I feel an allegiance because it happened to family/blood. Becasue my great grandmother a Serb, was sent with Jews to a concentration camp and my grandmother also Serb was arrested trying to help Jews, I feel a sense of allegiance towards Jews not guilt. You guys are confusing two completely different words.

I would feel "guilt" towards blacks if an ancestor/relative had black slaves or was guilty of lynching blacks, since that never happened I do not feel "guilt" towards them.

That's the difference.

Many MILLIONS of Whites had relatives who tried to help Blacks, Slaves(even went to a little Civil war that was our most deadly)Native Americans & other minorities. Why is their so called "allegiance" to minorites any less worthy than yours? Why should they be mocked with the term "White liberal Guilt" while you have some OBSCURE "allegiance" to Israel because of some family legend?


You & those of your ilk like to criticize that as "White Liberal Guilt" ,but you are here trying to get understanding for your "far right Guilt" for Israel/Holocaust that the US had nothing to do with?(Do I hear Violins?:crying

That's called HYPOCRISY. Son.

If you personally feel ALLEGIANCE to Israel because of some OBscure family tale why don't you send your own money to them & stop requesting that Our "Broke" Nation/ US taxpayers (most of whom have no ties nor nothing to do with the Holocaust) do it to the tune of Billions. Billions to a developed Nuclear power.:dunno:

Most Americans have far more ties to slavery,(Blacks obviously & those Tens of Millions of descendents of White Abolitionist & Civil war soldiers) ,the Civil Rights movement , Native Americans & the atrocities commited against other minorities in this countrey in the name of the US government.

Your "ALLEGIANCE" to Israel is the reason I guess you don't care that the US is "Broke" ,but still paying out millions(trillions actually the relationship has cost us).

 

[Trident1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

because of some family legend?






some OBscure family tale

How quaint. I state what actually happened and you call their experience a "legend and tale".


Quite disgusting behavior on your part.



P.S. for the umpteenth time I feel no "guilt"

 

[girk1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

How quaint. I state what actually happened and you call their experience a "legend and tale".


Quite disgusting behavior on your part.



P.S. for the umpteenth time I feel no "guilt"

I don't know you. And unlike you I haven't nor will I ever solicit any personal information from anyone on a porn forum.

I honestly could care less whether this is a true story or not.:dunno:

Your attempt to get off the topic of the legitimate issues raised & the hypocrisy exposed here is quite amusing though.

No more disgusting than you & those of your ilk dismissing past suffering of other minorities.

Are you on this porn forum looking for sympathy or understanding about something that allegedly happened decades ago to your family & that I nor no one in the US was apart of(Holocaust)? Are you trying to appeal to My so called "White Liberal Guilt"?:dunno:

Okay here you go...wah:crying:

You should be more sensitive to the past suffering of others if you are gonna come whining about an alleged story of suffering from your past.

If you feel so much ALLEGIANCE to Another nuclear power be my guest & send them your money. The US government is "broke" according to the Far right & I think it is highly questionable why US taxpayer money is given to a Nuclear power.

You want some more "White Liberal Guilt" for alleged past suffering of your ancestors decades ago that the US/ nor I had anything to do with...?

Another tear? Wah:crying:..

Hopefully in the future you will extend this courtesy to the the past suffering of others especially here in the US.


Go somewhere else for empathy or "white liberal guilt" from me if you can't even extend that same understanding to others.

Now go back to your Allegiance to a developed nuclear power that costs us trillions of dollars as we plummet into bankruptcy according to the far right.:hatsoff:

 

[Trident1]

Re: 'Why is Israel apologising all the time' Sarah Palin on whistlestop tour of Jerus

Now go back to your Allegiance

Shalom.:hatsoff: